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| finn_mac_lir |
Posted - Apr 30 2006 : 00:49:33
Hey there,
I was just banned from your BF2 server. I wasn't cheating, teamkilling, being racist or being rude in any way.
However, a group of us had gone down and taken over the Americans uncapturable base. We were causing quite a ruckus when an admin said we had to leave the base or be kicked/banned.
I started to tell him that you can't ban people for normal game play because on a ranked server. I was banned before I could even finish the thought. :-P
I was going to complete the thought by telling him that EA is cracking down on RANKED servers that have institutionalized rules disallowing normal game play. Normal servers can do as they wish but a RANKED server has to be careful about setting game play rules that violate EA's terms of service agreement.
Thought I would post this in case you guys weren't aware of it.
Originally grabbed from http://www.totalbf2.com/forums/showthread.php?t=41288
( Look for the heading, "Knife/Pistol only servers? what's the deal with those!?" )
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Originally Posted by Electronic Arts
Seems EA is taking another step to prevent stat padding or the encouragement to do... we recieved this email tonight from our service provider. kudos to EA....
Hi Guys,
We have noticed an increase in behavior where leased servers are being used by clans solely to pad players stats, even to the extent where clans are institutionalizing rules that forbid normal play.
Currently the favored method is for player admins to set rules where players must use either a knife or Pistol, players must revive each other, and players must not take flags.
This creates environments where players gain stats unrealistically and creates an imbalance in the ranked server playing field. In our opinion, these players are breaking EA's Terms of Service,
and we have begun taking action on the clans involved. However, clan coordination to this extreme requires us to create a long-term solution for this (separate from any scoring changes in 1.03).
As a group, Ranked Partners included, we need to work together to aggressively crack down on any server that is found to be promoting stats exploiting in order to maintain the integrity of the stats system.
The following steps will be taken each time we locate a server exploiting through enforced admin rules:
1. Customer support will strip the stats from those caught on the server at the time of discovery and anyone sharing a clan tag with the offenders that seem to have any anomalous stats.
2. We will contact the Trusted Partner who has leased the instance in question to the offending clan and request that the clan is immediately moved over to a non-Ranked server.
This clan should not be given an opportunity to lease another Ranked Server from said partner, as they have too many avenues of coordinating exploitative actions.
3. If said clan continues to have access to a Ranked server, we will be removing the IP of offending server from the validated list shortly after contacting the Ranked Partner connected with them.
Please keep in mind we are not holding the hosting partner responsible for the actions of these clients. Also note that the tools we need to employ if we reach step 3 may impact other clients you are hosting.
Because of this, we do ask that each partner works to ensure that clans/groups that engage in this behavior are removed from your clientele. We have 'busted' a few servers already and those partners have been
exceptional in their response to correct the errant behavior.
Notify your clients that if they are running their servers in the manner described above or in any manner which could be questionable that they must cease such actions and run pure servers.
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I am hoping I can be unbanned as OMO is one of my favourite new BF2 servers.
Thanks!
Finn-Mac-Lir |
| 11 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| finn_mac_lir |
Posted - Apr 30 2006 : 22:41:23
Awesome. I'll have to check the new server out then.
Thanks!
-Finn-
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| Older- OMO |
Posted - Apr 30 2006 : 19:23:31
Just go play on the new server, you aren't banned there.
BTW, I think all anyone was expecting is you might acknowledge your transgression and apologize. |
| finn_mac_lir |
Posted - Apr 30 2006 : 18:09:33
quote:
You didn't mention that your squad was killing people (myself mainly) while you were in the main base. I was the one who typed the warning after the first kill, but then I was killed at least one more time after that.
You say you want to be unbanned, but I haven't seen the magic words yet...
I didn't mention it because I didn't see it. I can't testify to what I didn't witness.
As I said, I was dead and waiting for respawn and looking at my kits screen. I respawned into the back of an APC. I could hear my CO firing on something but I couldn't see anything as I was riding in the back of his APC. I saw one warning to leave the base and he left right after that, with me in the back.
I am not saying there wasn't more than one warning; I am saying I was dead and only saw one warning after I respawned.
As for the rest, I thought I had asked nicely already. You guys can decide yay or nay but I'm not going to beg over something that seems to be basically a misunderstanding of the rules on my part and a quick ban on the part of one of your admins.
As I said before, hope to see you guys on your server but, if not, I'll see you around some time!
Thanks again,
-Finn- |
| Ishmel |
Posted - Apr 30 2006 : 14:36:10
Well he seems like a pretty good guy from that post. |
| Cadaver-OMO |
Posted - Apr 30 2006 : 14:33:53
quote:
Originally posted by finn_mac_lir
Exactly what happened: After being killed, I spawned in on my squad leader who was driving an APC and shooting some stuff. Someone said get out of the base (I didn't even know where I was for a sec) and everyone left. We were all on our way up the road, back into town.
-Finn-
You didn't mention that your squad was killing people (myself mainly) while you were in the main base. I was the one who typed the warning after the first kill, but then I was killed at least one more time after that.
You say you want to be unbanned, but I haven't seen the magic words yet... |
| finn_mac_lir |
Posted - Apr 30 2006 : 13:33:34
Lots of replies! Nice! Most of this will be applicable to Older's response, I guess.
First off and to get this straightened out right now, what I said wasn't a threat of any sort.
I barely got the sentence out that "you can't ban for things like that on a ranked server" when I was banned. I made no threats, there or here, and certainly never said anything about having anyone's server shut down. Check your server logs.
I posted the article here so you guys would be aware of it, not so I could "report you to the MAN!". It was an F.Y.I. and nothing more. I don't think I posted anywhere that I was going "report" you so I am not sure where the notion of me giving you a "threat" came from.
Also, I never said I was a regular. I think I have played there about 5 times. I did say it was one of my fav NEW servers... as in I haven't played there very much but I have enjoyed the games I have played and was looking forward to playing more.
Exactly what happened: After being killed, I spawned in on my squad leader who was driving an APC and shooting some stuff. Someone said get out of the base (I didn't even know where I was for a sec) and everyone left. We were all on our way up the road, back into town.
I said "you can't ban for that sort of stuff on a ranked server" (or words to that effect) and got banned. I was already out of the base, riding in the back of my CO's APC and had been in the base for about 10 seconds as a passenger. We were inside the town when I was banned.
Now... I was unaware there were differences between private ranked servers and public ranked servers. My mistake. Mea culpa.
I assumed they all followed the same ruleset and we all know what happens when we "assume", right? You get banned from servers! So, don't make my mistake, kids!
Anyway, thanks for the info on that. You guys can kick it around about the unbanning or not and I'll see you on your server or somewhere else! GGs!
Thanks!
-Finn- |
| Ishmel |
Posted - Apr 30 2006 : 10:02:22
OMO is a private server and you are a guest, "When in Rome" |
| Bedpan-OMO |
Posted - Apr 30 2006 : 08:42:30
I've always said it better to have you part of OMO Older! Thanks! |
| Older- OMO |
Posted - Apr 30 2006 : 03:01:17
Your side was warned a few times by a few people. You stayed and your squad were base raping the uncap US base on Karkand. I heard many complaints on Ventrilo as well as people on chat. We don't take kindly to smacktards who violate our rules. When you posted your "threat" in chat, about having our server shut down for a violation of EA's rules, you crossed the line.
By the way, the last person you want to argue with about anything related to BF2 is ME. I am intimately aware of the BF2 Rules of Engagement (ROE) (NOT EA's Terms of Service is a broad legal document that governs all other actions and behavior not included in the ROE) and I am an advocate for compliance. Our rules are posted and they comply with the ROE Section 3 (posted below) for private ranked servers.
The fact that you posted some BS about pistol and knife servers, weakens your argument considerably. Pistol and Knife-only servers clearly violate the ROE for behavior defined as stat padding. When you say the OMO server is one of your favorites, you further weaken your argument because the rule is posted in the splash screen and appears periodically in the chat. It is actively enforced whenever an admin is present. Anyone who has played here on a regular basis would know this.
If you want to plead your case some more, feel free. From your stats, it appears that you may be short on experience, which would factor in on any reconsideration of the ban.
Here's a link to the BF2 Rules of Engagement:
http://www.bf2rankedservers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=251
In case you need a reminder, we are a Private Ranked Server.
3 LOCAL (PRIVATELY RENTED) RANKED SERVER RULES MODIFICATIONS
These are rules that are not enforced upon in EA’s public ranked servers but may be modified in privately rented ranked servers. These rules are decided by clan administrators for those servers and as long as they do not contradict any global rules enforced by EA are considered valid for those servers.
This would include but not limited to:
§ Artillery fire or bombing runs on main (uncapturable) bases may be prohibited.
§ Prolonged or sustained attacks on main (uncapturable) bases (i.e. spawncamping).
§ Using the Transport Helicopters to take flags (Blackhawk whoring or flag hopping).
§ Impersonating clan members.
§ Using C4 on jeeps, or other fast moving vehicles to take out other vehicles.
§ Clans may change or customise rules, provided they don’t violate the above ROE rules. |
| Petrified-OMO |
Posted - Apr 30 2006 : 01:42:56
quote:
Currently the favored method is for player admins to set rules where players must use either a knife or Pistol, players must revive each other, and players must not take flags.
This creates environments where players gain stats unrealistically and creates an imbalance in the ranked server playing field. In our opinion, these players are breaking EA's Terms of Service,
Also note that an uncapturable flag is cannot be 'taken' period. The design of the rule is intended to ensure a pleasant gameplay experience for all who come to play on our server. In no way does it pad stats or create an imbalance. |
| Petrified-OMO |
Posted - Apr 30 2006 : 01:38:33
Actually, the rules we have are pretty normal for a lot of ranked servers.
WE are not a (insert whatever) only server.
However, it is clear you violated the posted rules on the server that state you may only go into an uncapturable base to destroy command assets unless you possess all flags. Since you were base camping you were kicked. Pure and simple. Next time, get in and get out to destroy assets, but if you sit around there, or are not Spec Ops being supported by a support personel to destroy assets you should expect to be banned unless your side has all the capturable flags. The rules are clearly posted for everybody, even EA to read and they do not violate EA policy regarding ranked servers.
Thank you, have a nice day, and don't bother coming back. |
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