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Aged
That's MISTER Lag Monkey to you.
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 Posted - Oct 21 2004 : 21:32:25
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I found this movie via another messageboard I frequent.
It's a flash film clip entitled, "The Pit Bull Problem". It's simple but very well done - the music matches perfectly.
Warning to dial up users (it's kind of big) and it is disturbing (though not nearly as disturbing as I feared when it started and it is basically a sympathetic piece).
The Pit Bull Problem
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Festus-OGO
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Posted - Oct 21 2004 : 22:17:40
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Very thought provoking Aged.
Its a big issue up here too. some Municipalities are passing legislation banning the pit bull breed due to instnaces of attacks.
While it must be acknowledged that this breed was originally bred to fight and be agressive, and that in all breeds there are "bad" dogs, I still believe that its not usually the dog, but the owner that is responsible.
Our German Shepard, Storm, is one of a few breeds (pitbull and rotwieler too) that some insurance companys are planning on refusing home owners insurance if you have one. Storm would not hurt anyone, but because they have a "look" people are careful around her.
Wouldn't it be nice if there was a stringent requirement that required interviews before you could own and raise/train a dog? Because in most cases its the human owner that raises a vicious or untrained animal.
As the pictures show, pitbulls can be wonderful family pets when raised by good families.
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Aged
That's MISTER Lag Monkey to you.
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Posted - Oct 22 2004 : 00:08:50
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German Shepherds are considered a problem up there?
Our Darcy (a very tall, but not very stocky German Shepherd) is about as sweet and timid as they come. She does have an imposing look to her, though.
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Petrified-OMO
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Posted - Oct 22 2004 : 03:09:50
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I used to have a Doby-Dane. Imagine a Dobermane Pincher the size of a Great Dane and a bark that made you believe your life was in jeopardy. Now imagine a very sweet and lovable dog. Both were one and the same.
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PacemakerOMO
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Posted - Oct 22 2004 : 04:46:02
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well this could be a controversal subject could'nt it? 
here again im reminded that my world is not the only world :)
in the last year we lost our 2 big yard (catch) dogs 1 a Pitbull
named Polygrip ;) , black as a Ace of Spades she came to an untimely
demise under the wheels of a pickup truck :(, actually she was a
perfect behaved dog for the farm, the only bad behavior she had is
that she would kill every basketball she could find (instantly)
and we could not keep her home electric collar included, she liked to wander
the other dog was a cur dog, Rufus, working cow dog, a breed known to cowboys here in fl
(Yellow black mouth cur) despite everything we did with that
dog, if you got out it was simple you got caught, I never understood why
ppl insisted on getting out , when there where signs coimng in the gate
and at the house that stated do not get out bad DOG we raise all our dogs
excluding, hunting dogs in the house and slowly migrate them outside, he was a nasty sob
with no redeeming features, we,ve never had a dog that has been so agresive
and mean, it was getting to be a BIG problem then he solved it for us
he snapped at my wife and when he did i shot him right then and there,
and put him out of his misery,
i hate having to shoot dogs, but got to admit
there was some satisfaction there. srry animal lovers ! living where i do
i do have to shoot rouge dogs every so often, if we see a dog catching a cow
or calf there is no appeal on earth for that dogs life, we done lost too many
calves to wild dogs and cyotes, a 30-06 is swift justice
there is NO excuse for a starving dog, i do not see how that had to do
with the subject of putbulld, or what an abused dog had to do with it either
go to any dogpound an youll see the same thing, living ina rural area this
county has dog boxes at the corners for hunting dogs ( ot strays)that has not been
caught up after hunting or that escaped ( good system it works )
im now in the process of finding a german sheperd for the house
( they become one of the "KIDS", due to their
inteligence, (most have more than my cuzzins) the price is a leettle intimidating
but you get what ya pay for!
did i hijack the thread?
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Posted - Oct 22 2004 : 05:12:29
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Well, I'm a dog lover, have a dalmatin and cocho brown lab, but pitt bulls will be banned in Toronto within a month and I for one am VERY happy..to many kinds and senior, 10 in the last 2 years have been attacked in Toronto.. I wish they could put the owners to death, but the dogs cause less outcry..
Smelly
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Posted - Oct 22 2004 : 06:00:49
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When I got out of the Army in 1970, I started training doge in obedience and attack. I trained pinchers and shepherds. You can take a mean dog and make him meaner or just love him and he will learn to love.
The pit bull is no different than any other dog. If you beat him and teach him to be mean he will be very mean. They can lock their jaws and you will not get them lose.
People should be held accountable for the teaching of the animal they have. Here in Charlotte, we have a man that had two pits and they killed his son and he will pay as he taught the dog to be aggressive. He even stoped a postman from helping his son when he tried.
The animal is like us unless he was a wild animal. We learn to hate and be mean and we will also.
I have had as many of 13 shepherds at one time. All trained and all were loved by the neighbors and their kids. Just love them and they will love you back. Not hard to do :o) 
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ButtcraxOMO
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Posted - Oct 22 2004 : 06:08:29
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Three German Shepards here, Loving to us, but they are standoffish to strangers, They will scare you. Keeps the IN-laws away. :)
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Festus-OGO
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Posted - Oct 22 2004 : 07:45:07
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No Aged, Shepherds are not considered a problem like pit bulls.
However, check it out, several insurance companies (big ones like Allstate I believe) have hinted or instituted the policy I mentioned above. If you own a Pit Bull, Rotwieller, or GERMAN SHEPHERD they can void your home owners insurance in the case of a personal injury suit.
I feel sympathy for pit bulls, but then again, I wouldn't let my kids near one because its not possible to tell the good from the bad sometimes.
Pacey,you absolutely did the right thing with that dog. There are always bad seeds and they should be humanely put down as soon as recognized. My niece had a Great Dane that was just vicious. Something wrong with it for sure and they waited for much to long to acknowledge the problem before putting it down.
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Posted - Oct 22 2004 : 11:24:28
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You haven't seen a fearsome dog until you have seen my Bichon Frise. She has made many a grown man cry at the sound of her bark. Many tears of laughter tho 
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PacemakerOMO
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Posted - Oct 22 2004 : 12:08:48
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my bestest buddy is a 11lb Rat Terrier absolutly fearless ( of squirrels anywhoo )
i think he bites me more than anything else, now ififn he weighed 100lb
it would scare me, rides on the 4 wheeler wth me and HATES snakes, he thinks
hes a mongoose!
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BackPainOMO
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Posted - Oct 22 2004 : 16:04:34
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I might have to dissent here a bit. A dog is what he is bred to be as much as he is what he is trained/taught to be through action.
I live in the L.A. area and have had a few encounters with pit bulls and I've also had dogs all my life growing up. Some dogs have a highly developed blood lust if you will, either to chase, dominate, kill, or whatever that was bred into them. I had a Shepherd/Malmute mix that was always loved and treated well and it killed 70 chicks (as in baby chickens) in a blood lust/thrill of the kill 15 minutes when I was in high school. It had nothing to do with the way the dog was treated and everything to do with a thrill of the chase and kill. The same periodically happens in the L.A. area where a pit bull will kill a child, likely for no other reason than to discipline and establish dominance initially, then in the lust of the taste of blood (a child not being tough enough to resist a strong bite from such a powerful animal) that has done nothing except step into an area the dog has determined is his territory.
Obviously the owners are at fault for not having the dog properly secured/muzzling the dog/or supervising the dogs activities, but the dog is often simply more capable than the average owner is responsible enough to manage. The average person cannot fully train a dog to resist his natural instints, at least that has not been shown to be the case. That being the case, I have no problem with communities taking steps to prevent tragedies that mostly happen to children and the elderly because they cannot defend themselves.
I've also met too many young men who attach their machismo to these animals and seriously abuse the privelege and responsibility of owning one of these animals. It is their fault as much as anyone, but I can't muzzle them.
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Posted - Oct 22 2004 : 17:38:58
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I wouldn't argue a thing you said BP.
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Posted - Oct 22 2004 : 18:07:20
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I have had dogs all my life, many different breeds - never been without one.
My current mutt's mother was a Pit Bull and father was an English Bull Terrier X Staffordshire Bull Terrier, he is the first Bull Terrier type dog I have ever owned.
And I kid you not never has a more gentle soul walked this earth... He has been raised the same way as all my dogs, (and they have all been good family pets) but he stands out as the friendliest dog I have ever owned.
As far as regulations go down here certain breeds are classed as "restricted breeds" these are:
Argentinian Fighting Dog
Brasilian Fighting Dog
Japanese Tosa
American Pit Bull Terrier
Pit Bull Terrier
And any mixed breed that visibly resembles any of the above.
Ownership is resticted to over 18 years and the dog must wear a red/yellow stripped collar in public as a warning.
I have always believed that every dog owner gets the dog they deserve... maybe it's bad owners who should be the ones wearing the collars?
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Posted - Oct 22 2004 : 18:33:25
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Ive owned many many dogs....Lots of which were Pits...I had a huge red nose pit get hit by a semi...and got up and walked off..only to lie down on the orch to pass away....he was huge...we had a loggin chain that they use to secure the load on log trucks tied to him.....He could still jump over my head....He was a great dog and very protective of his family..
I current have a 100lb Rotty..She is a sweet dog, and getting up in age...ANyone I welcome into my house or yard she is all over for attention....ANyone running by or sneaking around, she goes crazy....She is chained and fenced in, but being a lage smart dog, she still gets out from time to time..If the neighbors didnt know here well, she be dead..
Now chiauaus are mean, i think because of thier size..Ive breed trhem for years, and most dont like childern becuase of fast movements and rough playing.
Any dog, any size, you have to know handle dogs to be around them...As in letting the dog smell your hand kinda thing....never reach for a strange dogs face or tail...they tend to snap..
And this one may be tough, since I have problem with it currently..My 3 year old son love the little dogs. He hugs and grabs and plays with them with only minor knips and scraches..At his age he also thinks he can do this with the rotty..with her, he pretty much can, with my supervision...He can even ride her...But im afraid he may think he can do this with other dogs as well, which Ive caught him trying and stopped...So ive limited his exposure to the "big" dog for now..SO watch for children hugging dogs, because of close face to face contact..DOgs get intimadted, threatend or whatever and end up biting...
So not only do dogs need to be trained, so do the owners..
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Posted - Oct 23 2004 : 08:11:33
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i cant remember a time when i didnt have a dog. my favorite would have to be my rottys. we got the first one when i was 7teen. she was in bad shape when we TOOK her from her owner. if you raised your hand to pet her on the head she would cower like i was going to hit her. after a couple of months she figured out that we where not going to hurt her. she turned out to be the best dam dog i have ever had. she past away about 3 years ago.
now i have 2 jack russels that are just flat out crazy. they are like my kids cant take a eye off of them or their into something.
in closing i just want to say i love dogs and HATE people who miss treat them. 
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A moving and disturbing film I came across
