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Catheter-OMO
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Posted - Jan 23 2006 : 08:04:44
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Yep I came to the same conclusion on it all being in the graphics card. Nothing made any difference until I OCed my graphic card. Not sure if My ISP finally fixed the problem but after OCing my card the game seemed to run smoother. I'm getting between 70-90 fps on in-game frame rates. Didn't notice any difference after OCing on this though.
I have the in-game setting as follows:
1024x768 75Hz
All settings at medium except; Light, Dynamic Light, Dynamic Shadows on high. According to the tweak link Older posted a couple of weeks ago these are supposed to be the performance drains but I haven't had a problem.
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FuddyDud-OMO
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Posted - Jan 23 2006 : 09:00:40
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Older, with respect to your question on the 7800's.
Unfortunately, I purchased my GTX card in the first days they were available and unnecessarily paid $600 for the priviledge. My choice at that time was more to do with warranty and manufacturer track record. To that end EVGA came out on top.
From all the comparative tests that have been done since then, the battle continues between the graphics card manufacturers with each overclocking and adding new features + games bundle incentives.
Still, if I was in the market for a 7800GTX, cooling would be a prime consideration. The stock cooling is useless and it can prove even more costly to take your 'bargain GTX card' and then have to strip away the stock cooler and replace it with a more efficient cooler. Would be better to buy a well designed card to begin with. THINK COOL.
EVGA have adressed this with their AC3 cooler and increased performance with the KO version of the 7800GTX (over 50MHZ increased clock rate). I think Gainward, another company that tends to specialise in stretching performance of chip sets to the max.
Power supplies.. nothing short of 600W. In fact, if I had considered going SLI with another GTX card I probably would have gone to a higher wattage. Be most carefull about the power distribution over the voltage ranges as not all similarly rated PSU's have the same rating mix. i.e. Some may have a higher +5V current rating in favor of the 12V lines. You need to check the accumulated requirements of all the 12V hardware in your system. Hard drives and graphics cards being the main power hogs.
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Decrepit-OMO
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 Posted - Jan 23 2006 : 10:05:49
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Could part of Fuddy's high mark be because he is using the full version?
I assume he is using the full version as the only two items that are reported when running the free version are SM2 and CPU to make up my total. I do not get anything for SM3.
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FuddyDud-OMO
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Posted - Jan 23 2006 : 10:28:48
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I'm not using the full version but having read a little about version6 it says that the SM2 SM3 results are relative to the shader tests. Just a guess, but maybe the SM3 is only valid (and shown) for those cards that support this SM3 test.
Anyway, you've caught my attention Decrepit, I'll look further. My scores are actually just above average for those system scores I've seen with a single 7800GTX card (not overclocked), so the results are not really suprising.
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FuddyDud-OMO
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Posted - Jan 23 2006 : 10:38:33
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Yes, just checked the Futuremark website. Only the following graphics cards support the full range of tests in 3Dmark6.
* To run the HDR/SM3.0 graphics tests, a DirectX 9 compatible graphics adapter with support for Pixel Shader 3.0, 16 bit floating point textures and 16 bit floating point blending is required
ATI
All-In-Wonder X1800 XL (VS3.0 / PS3.0)
Radeon X1300 HM (VS3.0 / PS3.0)
Radeon X1300 Pro (VS3.0 / PS3.0)
Radeon X1600 Pro (VS3.0 / PS3.0)
Radeon X1600 XT (VS3.0 / PS3.0)
Radeon X1800 XL (VS3.0 / PS3.0)
Radeon X1800 XT (VS3.0 / PS3.0)
*all of the above perform software FP filtering.
NVIDIA
GeForce 6600 (VS3.0 / PS3.0)
GeForce 6600 LE (VS3.0 / PS3.0)
GeForce 6600 GT (VS3.0 / PS3.0)
GeForce 6800 GS (VS3.0 / PS3.0)
GeForce 6800 (VS3.0 / PS3.0)
GeForce 6800 GT (VS3.0 / PS3.0)
GeForce 6800 Ultra (VS3.0 / PS3.0)
GeForce 7300 GS (VS3.0 / PS3.0)
GeForce 7800 GT (VS3.0 / PS3.0)
GeForce 7800 GTX (VS3.0 / PS3.0)
All other cards will be able to run the two SM2.0 graphics tests and the CPU tests in 3DMark06
Hope that answers your query Decrepit.
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Decrepit-OMO
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Posted - Jan 23 2006 : 13:42:38
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Sure does Fuddy. Thanks!
My card, an ATI X850 XT (AGP,) is not on the list.
My system is on par with other systems of similar specs. The CPU seems to be my current bottle neck as the video card rocks. I hope to upgrade the CPU from a 2.4 (800MHZ) to the 3.2 within the next couple of months.
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Posted - Jan 24 2006 : 21:36:54
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7800GTX Rocks. Mine runs cool as a cucumber on water. In fact, it ran too cool at first, as the Nvidia drivers had a cold bug that did not allow the cards to run under 35 C. My water cooled system had mine running well below that and it would freeze up on me. I had to air cool the thing for a few weeks until a fix came out. The thing on air was still way cooler than the 6800GT I use to run. 20 C cooler on average.
I scored around 3900 on the new 3Dmark06. My CPU score was not great with only about 900 (AMD 3700+).
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Older- OMO
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 Posted - Feb 05 2006 : 17:50:42
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Ok I added a new wireless keyboard and a laser mouse and then retested again. Guess what???????
3Dmark 06 score: 4513
SM2 score : 2002
SM3 score: 2228
CPU score: 986
OK, I got a huge improvement
!!!!!!!!!  
Hopefully the score will have some improvement when I get the Raptor drive installed. Obviously the bottleneck is in the CPU. Looks like I would have to get an-oveclocked AMD to really get a respectable score.
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Older- OMO
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Posted - Feb 05 2006 : 22:43:12
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OK, I just figured out my new keyboard and have the Function keys working... Nothing like trying to get to the gun on a jeep without the f keys. Anyways, reran the test after a couple of more tweaks and here are the new results:
3Dmark06 score: 4629
SM2 score: 2073
SM3 score: 2309
CPU score: 986
I am getting happier, but am not sure what it will take to get it higher. I can't overclock my CPU because the Dell BIOS will not allow any adjustments. There are no hacks or cracks either. I would have to get a new mother board. 
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Dirtbag-OMO
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Posted - Feb 06 2006 : 05:20:18
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Older, I have heard that wireless Mice have a slower response time. Have you noticed this at all?
I just purchased a new optical mouse (wired). Stayed away from the wireless because of what I heard and I hate changing the batteries all the time.
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Catheter-OMO
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Posted - Feb 06 2006 : 06:26:50
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Older I don't know what tweeks you did but you doubled your score. Are you sure you typed them correctly? Did you chage your video card? I still can't get past 2000 and the only thing that really helps my score is OCing the video card.
I don't see how changing your keyboard and mouse could have made any difference.
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Decrepit-OMO
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Catheter-OMO
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Posted - Feb 06 2006 : 06:44:44
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I don't have any problem with a wired mouse but my headset wire is going to have to go.
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Older- OMO
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Posted - Feb 06 2006 : 08:05:23
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I have been wireless for awhile and have not noticed any difference whether it is with my mouse or keyboard. I don't have a big space for my computer, so I have to move KB/Mouse when I use my joystick. This means swapping places fairly often, so having those wired would be a pain (stick is wired). I moved up from optical to a MS Laser mouse. It is way more accurate than the optical. I had to turn my settings down because it was much more respnsive than the optical.
I almost got the G7 (200dpi) or 1000 (1000 dpi) from Logitech, but I needed a keyboard too and didn't want to go crazy on price. I got a decent deal on the MS6000 desktop set for $70. I don't mind changing the batteries (KB about 5-6 months, mouse about 1 month). I buy them in packs of 36, so I am not lacking there. Bottom line, I will never go back to wired.
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Catheter-OMO
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Posted - Feb 06 2006 : 08:19:45
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So what about system tweaks. How did you double your 3DMark score? If I could get to 3000, I'd be over joyed.
I am thinking about increasing my PCI frequency. I read that is supposed to help
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Nosehair-OMO
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Posted - Feb 06 2006 : 08:24:22
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ok I'm at 591 and Lovin' it !!!!!
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Older- OMO
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 Posted - Feb 06 2006 : 08:43:58
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I will let Fuddy and the other curious ones to figure it out... His logical skills will be able to see what has happened. If you are curious, read the thread again from the beginning. Look closely at my score(s) and you will see... BIG HINT: read Fuddy's posts and it will all make sense.
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Posted - Feb 06 2006 : 09:59:09
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quote:
Originally posted by Dirtbag-OMO
Older, I have heard that wireless Mice have a slower response time. Have you noticed this at all?
I just purchased a new optical mouse (wired). Stayed away from the wireless because of what I heard and I hate changing the batteries all the time.
I have both, and see a difference. Corded mouse seems to be a little bit quicker for me and has fewer issue. Not to mention it feels much lighter. I'm still using my Logi laser mouse, but it wasn't worth the $80 I paid for it. Also have to keep remembering to charge the stupid batteries.
Best one I owned was a corded MS optical intellimouse explorer 3.0. Can't find them anymore. Mine finally took a dump last month :^(
Having said that, you've all inspired me to tweak my box, first score was very sad. Yet my system plays BF2 just fine. Why I didn't bother trying to tweak it.
However, a lot of you have similar systems to mine yet have much better scores.
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Catheter-OMO
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Posted - Feb 06 2006 : 10:18:12
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Ok finally went back and read all the post. So you got a 7800 and probably overclocked. You should have posted this instead of saying you installed a new kb and mouse and showed scores that double.
I've been going through all the tweaks on my mb and haven't really found anything that helped. I'm running 3DMark now after increasing mem voltage from 1.8 to 1.9. I got a good improvement on my old configuration when doing this cus some of the memory was a lower voltage and that would make all default to the lower voltage.
I tested all the over clock settings in my BIOS and found non had much effect on the 3DMark scores so I'm back to my original conclusion that the video card is the basis for the scores. My best to date is:
3DMark - 2123
SM2 - 1041
CPU - 1693
Note to Older on an earlier conversation we had on MB. The board I should have gotten: Asus P5WD2 with the Intel 955x chipset. Check it out. I'd buy this before I'll go out and spend $500 on another video card.
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Specimen-OMO
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Posted - Feb 06 2006 : 10:54:02
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I'm using a Razor Diamondback Plasma mouse USB. w/ cord
It's great! Large glide pads and 1600 dpi.
Underneath I put a 1030 fUnc mouse pad
"Smooth as Golden"
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