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BackPainOMO
Have Blunderbus, Will Plunder!
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 Posted - Jul 31 2006 : 13:34:29
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Pilots and their friggin' flying machines. 2/3 of my deaths are from some bastage bombing, rocketing, or gunning me down with a 20mm cannon from a helo or jet.
I hate it, hate it, hate it. You pump a round from an M-1 tank square into the middle of a helo (you see the hit x come up) and it just keeps shooting like nothing happened. And, why the hell does an aircraft get a tone for heat seeking missiles? wtf kind of magic is that? Arghh! I think all the devs have to be pilots. Bunch of cupcake eating sissies.
I'm going to have to only play Special Forces. I don't think they have as many aircraft.
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Toothless-OMO
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Posted - Jul 31 2006 : 14:02:44
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Yep, could not agree more. I have uninstalled BF2 long ago due that over powering advantage planes have along with the fact you can not hardly shoot them down.
It did me in for sure, when things like walking along and a jet swoops in to make a one person kill. It just simply sucked all the fun out of playing the game for me.
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Specimen-OMO
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Posted - Jul 31 2006 : 14:16:52
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Ooooh..... brother I feel your pain. Air maps are the bain of a ground pounders existeance. But squad up with some of us. We'll take you along some of the back roads where it's safer. Also set up a couple of jeeps for those helo's. Nothing says lov'n like mowing down a chopper with three jeeps firing their machine guns. Feel the love youz pilots!
As for Special Forces, I'm finding our server is attracting some interesting nitwits when its on.
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HEARTBURN-OMO
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BackPainOMO
Have Blunderbus, Will Plunder!
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Posted - Jul 31 2006 : 15:07:07
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I don't fly except to grab an unused A/C to fly to a location to bail out on a flag (I can do that pretty good).
I got a new joystick to learn to fly with about six months ago and it is still in the box.
Nope, this is about making gameplay fun and balanced. A jet or helo should have an advantage when they are used correctly, but when a guy can fly circles right in front of you in his helo with impunity and a jet can reload ammo and be back on top of you 5 seconds after you respawn (20 seconds is about right for re-arming a jet) to kill you again 20 yards from your respawn point, it is neither fun nor balanced. This is an old argument, for sure. And I'm an old complainer that has been away for awhile. Just commenting on how nothing has changed and I still hate the imbalance. I'll be a special forces ninja, I guess.
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burniste
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Posted - Jul 31 2006 : 15:40:21
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yea, i agree with Backpain that it is unbalanced. one of the basic badges is aviator, stay in a plane ten minutes, and i Know i'll never get it on the OMO server. why? for me to fly i'd want to be productive and i'm not that good where Heart and Cadaver could make the differance for the win...
i also agree with Speciman that it's fun to hand the flyboys thier a$$ on a platter.
the best part of BF2 is the squad. last nite BagLady schooled me on teamwork, and on OMO servers OMO win when they play tight.
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CackNBallz
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Posted - Jul 31 2006 : 15:56:52
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Older and I missed the OMO crew (I think it was two nights ago) man we needed your help guys. Our team could not put up a good offence or defence. Older and I were pretty frustrated, and then when we got in the jets and helicopters on Wake Island and we rained down the pain from above. I have got to say that I have been missing a whole lot more with the TV missiles lately. I guess this has something to do with the copious amounts of rum and tequila I consumed while I was there.
Tonight should be a better night. It better. Or else.
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Dementia-OMO
Freak of Internet Gaming
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Posted - Jul 31 2006 : 16:06:23
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Actually if I team up in an AA vehicle as an engineer with another AA vehicle who is an engineer fairly well hidden.. planes and heles have a very tough time staying in the air. 
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Petrified-OMO
Taxing Patience
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Posted - Jul 31 2006 : 19:09:08
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I go AA with Support as my kit. I find I can usually down planes. However, if the map has no mobile AA, the planes have to much of an advantage.
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Cadaver-OMO
Dead Man Flying
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Posted - Jul 31 2006 : 20:37:57
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ah, I see I've found the plane-whore haters convention... carry on, I'll be back at the other convention...
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Petrified-OMO
Taxing Patience
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Posted - Jul 31 2006 : 20:41:25
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As Aged would say: bite me
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Specimen-OMO
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Posted - Aug 01 2006 : 05:26:44
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Originally posted by Cadaver-OMO
ah, I see I've found the plane-whore haters convention... carry on, I'll be back at the other convention...
No Soup For you!
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LEVITRA-OMO
Acting President of the 30,000 ft club
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Posted - Aug 01 2006 : 10:28:10
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Listen here you westcoast, sealevel, can't fly a jet or hit a target, wannabe eastcoaster!
Come back anytime I'm sure you'll get a plate full.
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Older- OMO
I got my bike at the ScooterStore
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Posted - Aug 01 2006 : 11:11:45
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I am currently an armor ho until I get my expert (except when on the Chinese side on Wake (exception to the exception if we have decent pilots I will forgo the joy of PWNING the other side in my medal quest)). I understand the pain, but don't agree about balance. The balance comes from many areas like other planes, choppers, AA, but is only effective if there is teamwork to counter the other side's piloting skills (matching our pilots against theirs, jeeps firing at choppers, commanders with timely artillary, effective AA or capturing airbases etc.)
The real world battlefield is heavily favored towards the side with better air power (both planes and choppers). How many plane and choppers do you hear about getting shot down by ground troops? Not often. At the same time, I don't see it affecting most people's K/D ratio. You might get killed 4-5 times at most in a round by plane, but the reason I think most people remember it because it is instant and they can't really defend, i.e. all of a sudden you are dead. However, most people don't object to getting killed 4-5 times by the same tank driver, sniper or other ground troop. Yes, sometimes you can get killed 10-12 times by a skilled bomber and it sucks, but that means our pilots and team aren't getting the job done doing the other things necessary to limit the damage. Most of my favorite enenmies are from armor, not planes or choppers.
The ground and mobile AA are very effective against choppers and marginally effective against planes. I can be deadly with the mobile AA and am current the 196th ranked player in the world in that vehicle (only 305 in the planes and 2943 in the choppers). There isn't a plane or chopper pilot that I haven't been able to take down period. Even the best aren't invulnerable (even Johnny Fairplay!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
TIPs on mobile AA- Always use the support kit when using this vehicle in order to have a constant supply of AA missiles (the 12 you start with is good for 1-2 kills at best). Make sure you have at least 1 reload available and use down time to fully reload and re-arm. ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS have 4 missiles ready to go no matter what. If it means wasting 2-3 to re-arm, do it. Never never enter the battle with less than 4 (another good reason to be support). This is your biggest advantage(besides being mobile) over the fixed AA (only 2 G2A missiles) and planes against choppers and planes. The other big tip is don't be obvious,i.e. out in the open. Try to anticipate flight patterns and find trees or buildings to help provide cover. Braindead tip: keep your eye out for smoking or wounded planes and choppers.
Bombers typically are always either going to or coming from the airstrip to re-load. It's better to catch them on the way to reload as they can't defend themselves unless they have a laser bomber co-pilot (however, most co-pilots aren't that good anyway). Choppers tend to attack where they think there will either be lots of armor or ground troops. Also, move around after getting a couple of kills otherwise they will eventually hunt you down.
For choppers, always keep the chopper on tone to try to get them to drop flairs. Don't shoot the cannons/guns until you unload the bulk of your missiles. If you start shooting, they will know it is the mobile AA painting them, not a ground AA or plane (many don't worry as much about planes since the A2A missiles aren't great against choppers). The cannons are effective if your initial missile salvo wounded but didn't kill. If they won't drop (smarter pilots won't drop at the first sign of being painted), then fire one A2A which will almost always get them to drop. Also, watch to see if flairs drop because of planes or other AA in the area. After the flairs have dropped, get a lock, let all 4 (or 3) go while trying to maintain tone until they either hit and get kill or miss.
Against planes, it's a spam war. It's all about needing many opportunities and lots of missiles (again, the reason to be support). You don't get much time to get a lock on them (unless they use the "I don't know how to bomb so I will fly really slow" technique), so get your lock and spam all 4. The main point is get a decent lock and let all 4 go as quickly as possible. Most of the time they miss due to flares, but many times they have already released their flares and will get hit by one or more (especially if we have decent pilots that are engaging the enemy planes). Even if they drop flares, one missile might sneak through and hit. If they are already damaged, they are done. Bombers are the easiest, fighters the hardest due to speed and manueverability. Again, positioning is key. Find the flight patterns that lead to either end of the runway (not on their base or at the runway as that is against the rules). Don't be anywhere near other vehicles as that will attract planes focused getting the multiple target kills. Escorting armor is useful sometimes, but usually makes good bombers salivate. Catching a plane returning for supplies or repair are easy targets (have dropped flare in a dogfight, or only need 1-2 missiles to finish off).
Regardless, plan on getting bombed, rocketed, tv missiled or artied. Nothing pisses off a pilot more than getting downed by the Igla, Linebacker, etc. Once you shoot someone down a few times, they will be hunting for the Tard/MOFO(you) in the mobile AA that keeps knocking them out of the sky. Good news is you will probably kill them again. Better news is they aren't focused on helping their team and you have effectively removed them from the battle. I go many rounds in the mobile AA with a 7-8/1 K/D ratio and have even managed to get gold medals on maps with lots of choppers and fighters, not on a map with a bomber :-(
At the end of the day, there is only one bomber on any map. The balance to the bomber is an effective fighter pilot on our side. The bomber is at the top of the food chain, but its effectiveness can be limited. See my old post on how to limit the effectiveness of a bomber.
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FuddyDud-OMO
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Posted - Aug 01 2006 : 11:26:09
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Actually, I don't really mind the planes at all. It's the pilots I can't stand.
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Stingray
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Posted - Aug 01 2006 : 12:18:13
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older your right, there is a decent counter attack against planes. Mobile AA rockets are not that bad, the guns however suck big time.
If your in mobile AA move often! Sit in between buildings, stay around trees (heck stay in the trees) and cliff sides. Make it harder for pilots to get a good approach on you. A good pilot will get you from time to time, but at least your keeping him busy on you while the rest of your team mates get to move around getting flags. You may actually get him/her tired enough to stop flying.
AA defense is one of the few badges I have expert in.
Every plane map should have mobile AA!
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Gort-OMO
Klaatu Bradas Nictu...
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Posted - Aug 01 2006 : 13:59:20
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Originally posted by BackPainOMO
Pilots and their friggin' flying machines. 2/3 of my deaths are from some bastage bombing, rocketing, or gunning me down with a 20mm cannon from a helo or jet.
I hate it, hate it, hate it. You pump a round from an M-1 tank square into the middle of a helo (you see the hit x come up) and it just keeps shooting like nothing happened. And, why the hell does an aircraft get a tone for heat seeking missiles? wtf kind of magic is that? Arghh! I think all the devs have to be pilots. Bunch of cupcake eating sissies.
I'm going to have to only play Special Forces. I don't think they have as many aircraft.
You think it is bad in the versions of BF2 we normally play. Try Allied Intent mod. They have really tinkered with the choppers and jets. There are'nt bombs, at least the jets I flew, but there are way cool ground attack missles. The Choppers have added cool weapons as well. The slow old ptransport choppers are now actual gunships. A flyers dream.
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Gort-OMO
Klaatu Bradas Nictu...
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Posted - Aug 01 2006 : 18:48:28
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You guys that love flying really should try some of the mods. I have played two Allied Intent and USI. Both have transport choppers with cannons that can take out tanks. I have taken out cobras with the cannon fire it is so intense. The transports are actual gunships. If your cannons don't take them out you have rockets as a backup. The cobra and bad guy attack chopper both have stinger anti air missles.
The jets have cannons that rival those on the transport chopper. I have taken out tanks on the ground with them. It only takes one burst as you pass a chopper to take it out. The jets still have anti air missles, but they also have air to ground missles. I have only seen one map where the jets actually have a bomb, but even then you can cycle between the bomb and air to ground missles like you cycle different weapons as a ground pounder. These two mods are way cool.
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FuddyDud-OMO
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Posted - Aug 02 2006 : 06:23:26
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You've converted me Gort. I've been patiently waiting for the day when the heli's would get AA missiles.
Do you know of any servers running these maps?
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Gort-OMO
Klaatu Bradas Nictu...
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Posted - Aug 02 2006 : 07:21:42
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Fuddy afte loading allied intent and USI I just went into the game and they came up when I clicked on multi player. There aren't a whole lot of them yet, and some are human v bots. I will get the names and adresses of some the next time I join in. I know FLOT has a Allied Intent derver running though.
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FuddyDud-OMO
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Posted - Aug 04 2006 : 08:12:39
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Hey, Gort and the rest of you medal hording fanatics. Forget the measily 5 or so maps we usually play and take time out to have some real fun. I downloaded the 'ALLIED INTENT' mod last night and had a great time. Some great maps and with a couple of heli's in Karkand it was fun fun fun.
Thanks GORT.
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I now remember what I hate about BF2
