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Bloody
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 Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 07:55:51
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This is about the exploit that has been used and is becoming all to common place, by placing a spawn beacon on the roof of a building.
The BCO Founders talked about it a week or so ago and wanted to just kinda go with the flow. However, with the use becoming common place and the way it ruins a fine game, we can no longer allow it to go on.
It is fair to call it the OMO Roof Spawn Tactic, as OMO are the ones I see using it over and over. I have played round after round on many other servers and I almost never see it anywhere. I see it almost every time OMO is on the BCO servers.
From today forward, the tactic (or rather exploit) of placing a spawn beacon on a roof is not allowed on the BCO servers. If the roof of a building is accessible by ladder, flag spawn, or other means (jumping to it, etc) then the rule does not apply. You may also still place spawn beacons near a building to land on the roof, but you must leave the beacon in an accessible place (i.e. on the ground or a high surface accessible via ladder, etc).
The same Warn/Kick/Ban rule applies here, so if you are spawning on a roof spawn beacon, you can be first warned, then kicked, then banned. If a squad is warned, it applies to all on the squad. Each person that keeps spawning there will be kicked after the warning is given.
We really did not want to have to make this a rule, but it's just not a fair way to fight. It's become almost worse than the Uncap camping that has occurred in the past with BF2.
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HEARTBURN-OMO
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Bloody
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 09:19:56
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You said it, I didn't. LOL.
I was just informed that it has also been banned in league play (CAL, TLW?, etc)
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Petrified-OMO
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 09:45:54
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lol... Thanks Bloody. Never could figure out how to 'spin off'. I thought you guys had come up with it anyways since I had seen your guys doing it on our server months back. 
Course... it may have just been Cacks fault.
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Bloody
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 10:38:01
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Everyone is looking for ways to win and you can't fault Cack or anyone else for finding and using something like this. However, now that it's clearly considered an Exploit it just can't happen.
Just FYI.
This is from the CAL league rules effective Dec. 25th.
CAL wrote:
2142 Rule Change
6.4 Bug Abuse and Exploits
(b) Placement of a spawn beacon on any area that is not accessible via Ground Transport/APC Pod, Ladder or Walk/Jump from one object to another would be considered an exploit.
(c) Sqd spawning onto any object that is not accessible via Ground Transport/APC Pod, Ladder or Walk/Jump from one object to another would be considered an exploit. An example of this would be, if a player would find him/herself on top of one of the large building roofs, that you can not access thru one of the above ways. It is expected that the player leave that area prior to engaging the opposing team.
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Petrified-OMO
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 14:39:16
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Cool. Thanks Bloody.
But... could you take the OMO off the Roof Spawn Exploit? 
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Dirtbag-OMO
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 16:59:28
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OMO roof spawn tactic?? thats bullshit. I don't believe this is an exploit. Great to use for both teams.
I respect your wishes for your server but take exception to the accusation that this is limited to the OMO.
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Nosehair-OMO
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 17:14:54
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Dirt, now don't be hatin'. Bloody is a stand up guy. While I don't play ya'lls game, I got to believe that what bloody sees he reports. That doesn't mean he can't say it in a more kind and gentler way, but he ain't a bad guy.
You's guys just behave yer selves and we'll all be back togehter soon as BF2 DC comes out. You know this 2142 is not going to fly long.
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Dirtbag-OMO
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 17:24:28
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I never said anything about Bloody. I have had many great games with the BCO. The post did not need to make any accusations.
Set the rule. Post it on your server and let it go.
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Nosehair-OMO
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 19:17:22
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Bypass-OMO
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 19:36:35
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Just for the record Bloody we learned that trick from the BCO while playing on your server a little while ago. I see it as a tactic but I can also see it as and exploit. So pls take the OMO off the title.
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Older- OMO
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Posted - Dec 28 2006 : 20:27:37
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I have yet to see any message board to consider it an exploit. It isn't hacking into a building. It isn't changing the mechanics of the game. It isn't on any bug list I have seen. Why would they have textures and areas that are clearly meant for standing on if they didn't think people might end up there. Your server your rules.
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Petrified-OMO
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Posted - Dec 29 2006 : 09:24:36
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Well... from a commanders perspective a building would look pretty idiotic without a roof. 
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ButtcraxOMO
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Posted - Dec 29 2006 : 09:44:27
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Wear the OMO Exploit lable with pride...as if it were a.... ah....A PINK TUTU!
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FuddyDud-OMO
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Posted - Dec 29 2006 : 11:01:41
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Is the Pink TuTu an exploit??
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Cadaver-OMO
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Posted - Dec 29 2006 : 11:12:27
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The rooftop tactic is more widely used than Bloody claims. Just last night there were some guys on the OMO server on the opposing team doing it on Belgrade. The first time I made it up onto a roof in Berlin I was surprised to find there was an entire squad from the opposing team on top of another building. It made for some fun roof-to-roof fighting, like Dementia says.
Also, Bloody makes it sound like this is all OMO does on the BCO server. This is not true. There was one night a week ago where I did it during several games, mainly because I was toying around with the concept and trying to determine it's effectiveness. A couple of nights ago Older and I did it during one game on Gibralter. That has been it, certainly less than the number of times we have observed BCO doing it.
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Catheter-OMO
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Posted - Dec 29 2006 : 12:00:48
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Can someone explain how you get up on the roof to put a beacon up there so we all can decide if it is a glitch or just a clever tactic.
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Petrified-OMO
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Posted - Dec 29 2006 : 12:57:57
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Well... normally with the Spawn Beacons you can rotate but not move - unlike the drop pods from Titans, transports, or APCs. There is a way to rotate out of the straight drop into a more guided direction off of the spawn beacon. A squad leader can place his beacon down near a tall buidling and either he or squad members can rotate off of and onto the buidling. They then make a new squad or the SL plants a new beacon after destroying the first. It makes for a great way to gaurd a location or otherwise create spawn point that is hard to destroy.
My first experience with it was commanding on the BCO server. Cack and a few other BCOs were on the Conquest map with only one Walker available depending on who captured the mid flag - yes, I forgot the map name. I made it a point to arty their bums off the building along with the beacon as well as sniping them whenever they popped their heads over the edge. It was after this that I started seeing it used on the OMO server. If any clan is going to donate their tag to it, it should be the BCO.
My personal opinion is that, while it is annoying as heck, since the process of spinning off is not easy, it is not an exploit on the level of being inside a building structure, firing out and being invulnerable to return attack. You can certainly make life hell but no more than any other high and difficult to reach location. So far none of the buildings offer great cover on the roof that would prevent the player from being artied off and the beacon has to be open in order to work at all meaning you can arty it off anyways. In the end, this is nothing that a sniper with attitude cannot remedy or a watchfull commander.
Spawn camping, as a rule, should be discouraged. With a few exceptions (such as my first encounter with it) I have seen it mainly used to either capture or protect a point from capture, but not to camp a spawn.
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Older- OMO
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Posted - Dec 29 2006 : 16:12:40
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BTW, since when has CAL been a determining factor in setting rules? The no-uncap rule is not a CAL rule (I agree with it as it makes the gameplay a bit more balanced). FYI, I have learned from the master and it is no blind luck or chance with the technique. Cadaver and I can get on any building at any time in the first or second spawn. It takes some skill to get up, but anybody can do it if they practice. I am warming up to the naming thing as the only thing I could come up with for the BCO guys is the "BCO Buggy Bombing tactic" which Cadaver and I have emulated as well.
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Petrified-OMO
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Posted - Dec 29 2006 : 16:38:10
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Yeah, the car bombing is annoying and your emulating it is even more annoying.
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Cadaver-OMO
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Posted - Dec 29 2006 : 17:29:35
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I have learned a lot from watching the BCO's LOL
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FYI on the new "OMO Roof Spawn Rule" at BCO.
