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Petrified-OMO
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Posted - Apr 24 2008 : 13:56:32
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I would say Arcane and Fossil are the leads.
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Fossil-OMO
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 Posted - Apr 24 2008 : 15:59:28
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I've been looking forward to the game for over a year now but I'm no leader, my decision making is flawed, I submit my poor choice in AoC guilds as exhibit A.
Now if we could ever get Arcane to read this thread....
Hows the beta looking so far?
some good copy and paste info not by me.
Balance Issues and comparisons
Specific Classes that need a more in depth analysis:
Ranger - Funcom’s first Nerf! And wow were they ever nerfed. I guess calling it a nerf isn’t fair since they say it was a “bug” in itemization, but it’s definitely got them hurting. On my Ranger (you’ll see this in the ranger post-nerf video) I was dealing 1/4 the damage that I used to deal to tanks and 1/3 the damage to cloth. My crits are no longer in the hundreds of damage. The highest crit I landed was for 126 damage… when I used to crit for 700+ that’s a big change. Unfortunately for Rangers I feel they may have been overly nerfed. I feel like a caster now because by myself I can’t kill anyone — well, I did snipe this one necromancer but that was luck. Compared to the Barbarian and Assassin my damage is negligible as a ranger. It should still sting when I shoot people, not tickle! For more commentary see my Post-nerf ranger video.
Tempest of Set - What an AMAZING class. This class is really the template of what all healers and other classes should feel like. It has great heals, extremely powerful nukes, and decent buffs. In many ways the ToS plays like an offensive Druid from EQ days. Snares, nature magic, heal over times, etc. I think they need a nerf to their spell damage slightly or the other classes need a boost. As it stands now this class out nukes the casters from what I’ve seen. See the crazy damage in action in the Tempest of Set Video.
Guardian - I was asked to look into the Guardian closer to determine if their DPS was lacking. Upon a closer look and further testing of other classes I have decided that the guardian is definitely the lowest damage dealing class out there. He’s also the class that can take the most damage though. I think the biggest problem facing this class is that in PvP there really is no need for a class that can take the damage because there is no taunting. The guardian has a few debuffs from their combos but even specialized with a polearm I was unable to kill anyone alone. See the Guardian in action.
Archetypes in general: My closer look at their balance and role.
Soldiers (Guardian, Dark Templar, Conqueror): These classes feel very sturdy. The Guardian deals very little damage but manages to survive well when specialized in defense. The Dark Templar is the middle road acting almost like a Shadow Knight or very offensive Paladin with auras and helpful buffs. The Conqueror is less sturdy but provides a drastic increase in damage. Overall the Soldier archetype is solid and these characters all perform well in lvl 20 PvP. All of them have offensive and defensive stances and all could be expected to tank in PvE because they all have taunts.
Rogues (Barbarian, Ranger, Assassin): These classes deal the most damage by far. The Barbarian focuses on AoE, the Ranger on ranged single target dps, and the Assassin on single target close range. All three deal significantly more damage than any other class. Of the three the Barbarian is the most sturdy but the Ranger has the best survivability. The Assassin is an all or nothing character because if caught in a bad spot near the enemy you’re as good as dead. I think all are decent choices.
Mages (Demonologist, Necromancer, Herald of Xotli): This is a mixed bag of performance and playstyle. The Demonologist has great stuns and focuses more on offensive nukes but his damage is pathetic compared to the rogues. The Necromancer is about DoT’s and pets but the pets are horrible and the DoT’s take too long to be effective since they can be out healed with one heal spell. The Herald of Xotli is in a league if his own here. HoX are melee caster-like Battlemages that swing 2handed weapons, transform into demons, and actually deal good damage. By far the HoX is the best here and the other two need help.
Priests (Priest of Mitra, Bear Shaman, Tempest of Set): Conveniently broken up into a pure healer, a melee healer, and a nuker healer. PoM’s (as you see in my video) are very powerful healers that definitely turn the tide of battle in their team’s favor with AoE hot’s and conal heals. Bear Shaman swing big two-handed weapons and have melee combos and some of the best if not the best buffs in the game. Tempests of Set are currently overpowered in my opinion with their lightning spells outdamaging the mage classes (quite sad actually). All of these are solid choices.
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Bypass-OMO
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Posted - Apr 24 2008 : 19:01:06
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Dang Fossil show you a few video's and you take it all the way buddy. Aged 7 and 11 wow how time flys it seems like yesterday I was hearing a baby in the background when you talked lol.
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Bloody
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Posted - Apr 25 2008 : 09:03:17
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I think what we will do is I will set up a AoC forums in our main area. It will be hidden for non registered users, so it will be public (i.e. OMO's, etc can read) but not so that every passer by can see them.
I have something up for our new site and it's coming along nicely. I would expect I would have the AoC forums up in the next two weeks.
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As for the FilePlanet beta, it actually opens next Thursday. The download and keys are being released now, but you can't play it.
And speaking of FilePlanet, I found a neat thing if your a Comcast customer. Follow that link below and see what it's about.
http://vnboards.ign.com/age_of_conan_general_board/b22995/107112890/p1/?12
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Fossil-OMO
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Posted - Apr 25 2008 : 15:12:29
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How many BCO's are interested in AoC? seems like just you!
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Bypass-OMO
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Posted - Apr 25 2008 : 18:53:24
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Bloody your the best!!!! Thanks for the file planet info no more waiting yaaaaahoooooweeee
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Posted - Apr 25 2008 : 20:49:57
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Bypass, no prob. If I get an extra key I will pass it on to. I have a paid account and then got one on that Comcast thing too. Still trying to get that second key.
Fossil,
Yeah most likely just me. Not sure why, but the BCO's left (about half of BCO left to play other games) don't want to try new things. A few people like KJ, Stingray, and a few assorted others will try different things here an there, but for the most part they all stick to BF2. Can't even get them to play mods of BF2 or similar. The only success I have had with promoting other games lately has been COD4, and I think that had more to do with a handful of others that where looking forward to the game anyway.
I have been accused of "trying too many games" and "not sticking with one thing for long". LOL I have tried a lot of games, but not a huge amount. In the last 6-8 years I have played BF1942 and it's mods, Rainbow Six 3, BF2 and it's mods, 2142, COD4, and WoW. I think the two shortest stints were with COD4 and WoW. I'm not "done" with COD4, just busy and sorta waiting for new maps, etc. The WoW thing lasted about 4 months or so for me, and that had more to do with the fact that only a handful of BCO's played and the guild was really a bore cause Tread was really the only one that ever wanted to run with any of us low lvl players. We had lots of high lvl (60 - 70) and they only wanted to do the high end raids and such. I can see why, the lower levels can be a bore some times, but then again it's a ton of fun running with a group no matter the level. I had great fun running with one of the OMO's (sry, can't remember who it was) and his son, but I left a short time after they got going with the guild.
Anyway, I just don't know what I can do to get the BCO's excited about some of this cool stuff. I think some of it may be they are old and afraid of new things. Afraid they will get ganked (sp?) everytime they get in a server. I think the WoW thing was just too far from the roots of the group too. I'm all in on AoC. I pre ordered the CE version yesterday and have a pre order on the Zboard keyset as well. I plan on playing with or without a group. If I end up a loan wolf, then that's cool to. I figure if I approch it that way I will enjoy things much more when no one else shows up to play. LOL
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Posted - Apr 25 2008 : 21:25:38
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I started off playing Home world and BF1942 with OMO's 5 or 6 years ago, Petri got me going with CoH and I like it pretty much but after a taste of WoW I was hooked! after My 2 years with WoW I played LotRO which is better than WoW in some aspect worse in many others. A brief stint in Tabula Rasa, can't say I like that game very much so I never got into it.
MMO's are much more deeper than FPS games which loose their appeal for me quickly.
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Posted - Apr 25 2008 : 21:53:09
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Yeah, my dream game would be a MMO FPS. I really dig the first person stuff, but the MMO's have such an involving aspect that they rock too. The only thing about MMO's that I don't care for are the sometimes bad camera angles and interface, and that the fighting has in the past been pretty simple and un engaging . The combat in AoC looks to really improve on the fighting for sure. The camera thing, we will see. LOL
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Posted - Apr 26 2008 : 06:16:35
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Originally posted by Bloody
A few people like KJ, Stingray, and a few assorted others will try different things here an there, but for the most part they all stick to BF2.
or CoD4 
Even that game is a little stale now.
I'm interested in AOC, can't seem to get into the beta though. Keys go very quickly.
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Posted - Apr 26 2008 : 08:03:17
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Yes they do Sting. I have been trying to get another key on my second membership, but no luck.
BTW, I added you to the AoC group on the new site.
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Posted - Apr 26 2008 : 12:39:35
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More keys being released with in two hours of this posting.
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Posted - Apr 26 2008 : 13:12:20
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More keys are out guys. Hurry!
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Posted - Apr 26 2008 : 13:31:17
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Got a key! Happen to check while taking a break from yard work. Things must be slowing down for me to get one.
Servers are all full though, fine by me, still have plenty of time to download. Wanted to get vista going again as I've read AOC is enhanced for DX10 and 64 bit processors.
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Petrified-OMO
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Posted - Apr 26 2008 : 13:50:24
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Have a key as well.
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Fossil-OMO
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Posted - Apr 26 2008 : 19:35:13
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Just remember when you start playing, You can't compare the combat system to WoW. It's very different in that there isn't "sticky" targeting. you have to actually line them up to attack them. Same with healing, you don't just click on a name and throw a heal. You have to find your target get in range and throw a heal, no more heal bots!
It's going to take quite a bit more skill to heal and attack in this game compared to WoW but it should come second nature to those that play FPS and like to knife alot!
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Posted - Apr 27 2008 : 00:17:21
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That's exactly why I really am looking forward to this game. WoW is cool and all, but the click attack thing got a bit boring. I actually hope that I'm better at this system, as it's more FPS style (for an MMO at least). I'm just worried about getting ganked at every corner in the PVP-RP servers. lol
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Petrified-OMO
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Posted - Apr 27 2008 : 02:50:46
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Originally posted by Petrified-OMO
I would say Arcane and Fossil are the leads.
I just realized I mistyped when I wrote the above. It should have read:
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Modified by Petrified-OMO
I would say Aged and Fossil are the leads.
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Posted - Apr 27 2008 : 02:52:25
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Originally posted by Bloody
That's exactly why I really am looking forward to this game. WoW is cool and all, but the click attack thing got a bit boring. I actually hope that I'm better at this system, as it's more FPS style (for an MMO at least). I'm just worried about getting ganked at every corner in the PVP-RP servers. lol
Getting ganked is half the fun - especially if you set it up so the ganker becomes the ganked. 
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Posted - Apr 27 2008 : 08:15:53
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We should all roll assassins for Alts and have a gank night once a week! There is a few people in the murder herd I wouldn't mind dispatching.
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