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Bifocal-OMO
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TLBFestus
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Posted - Aug 25 2009 : 13:04:43
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Really?
I've lived up here in Soviet Canuckistan all my life and Universal Health care, while not perfect, had not brought our version of civilization to a crashing halt. It has not crippled the 85% of us up here that could afford private health care.
Matter of fact many of us up here in the Socialist Commune of Canada have "extended health" benefits paid for by employers, unions, etc., that provide additional coverage for things like prescriptions, eyeglasses, massage, chiropractic, etc. So you wee, everyone gets basic medical protection. They can end up in an emergency room and they are just taken care of. No one wonders or asks if they have medical coverage, they do. Now the 85% of us that have the money, have these extended benefits, or more disposable income to feed the economy.
Just another perspective.
Actually, whether you folk down in the US get universal health care or not doesn't really affect me (directly), but it sure is fun watching all the running around, hair pulling, and "the sky is falling" antics that surround the issue.
I have yet to see one article coming out of the right side and using Canada as an example that doesn't look for and use the worst possible situation to say, "Look how terrible it is up there". Not once have they shown the good that our health care system does. The people responsible for that are not interested in the issue, they are interested in the politics.
It's a pity that both sides (from the left wing socialist democrats to the radical right wingnut republicans) can't sit down, iron out the differences and try to create something that benefits everyone rather than running around slinging feces at each other. It seems more an ideological battle than any form of working together, and a potentially good cause is ignored in the process.
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Posted - Aug 25 2009 : 14:53:26
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what festus said ^^^^
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Posted - Aug 25 2009 : 16:29:22
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The Communist leaders have said, "We will not conquer on the front, but from within." this looks like ONE BIG MISTAKE AMERICA!!
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Posted - Aug 25 2009 : 17:01:30
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Canada does not have a health problem so long as Canadians in need are able to come to the US for treatment as many thousands have done.
You can tell even Festus has been down here for electroshock treatments.
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Fossil-OMO
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Posted - Aug 25 2009 : 17:47:12
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I'm just curious what the Canadian national debt is, does it compare to ours? How many billions of dollars do they spend on defense? Our free market system and our ability to provide their defense is what allows other countries to dabble in socialism because they know they have the USA to fall back on.
Nothing in our constitution says anything about providing health care, it's not OUR Governments roll. Yes they can regulate insurance companies which they should do, the premiums are sky high but at the same time they need tort reform so the premiums come down to an affordable level.
The USA does not have a monopoly on mud slinging politics, the world is rife with it. We just have more coverage of it, non stop it seems. There will never be an end to as long as there is power at stake so either turn it off or get used to it.
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Bifocal-OMO
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Posted - Aug 25 2009 : 20:14:32
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I don't think that their debt is as large as ours but Obama has not taken them over yet . Phase II to come in the near future.
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BackPainOMO
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Posted - Aug 26 2009 : 08:59:11
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It is a lot easier to be socialist on things when you do not have to spend much to defend you self because you live next door to Daddy.
The USA spends ~4.06% of GDP on defense (lots of dollars, see link below)
Canada spends ~1.1%
Germany 1.5%
Japan 0.8%
In real dollars, Canada spends less than Spain on defense.
The EU in its entirety only spends about 1/2 of what the US spends. That must be why they can't help us fight wars, because they are too busy providing average health care.
As a percent of GDP (CIA site - be careful you libs)
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2034rank.html
As a total dollar amount (Safe for libs)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
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Bifocal-OMO
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Posted - Aug 26 2009 : 10:16:52
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I don't know of anyone that wants to take over Canada. Well Maybe obama might want to
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TLBFestus
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Posted - Aug 26 2009 : 13:07:00
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Sorry, I just don't get it. I guess I'm as blind to your position as you are to mine.
It seems that you see some sort of conspiracy, that universal health care is just part of a plot to weaken and destroy democracy.
I simply see an honest attempt to improve things for people.
Regardless, good luck with it.
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Posted - Aug 26 2009 : 14:17:40
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It is a step, a big step to socialism and I will not live under that rule. You can but I will not
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Posted - Aug 26 2009 : 15:18:10
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Festus, the one thing that has been proven over and over again in this country is that government is totally wasteful, easily payed off (bought by special interest, aka corrupt), and will take whatever they get their mits on and make it as big as it can possibly get. It is not just the elected officials either. It is the labor groups and unions that forget the goal of the service they are providing and twist it to be about the employees providing the service (read the US education system as a great example).
If they get hold of health care, the US will be bankrupt. The fact is we are already working on being bankrupt without the government taking over health care.
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 Posted - Aug 26 2009 : 15:20:48
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Festus don't pay too much attention to Bifocal, he attacks anyone that doesn't believe in his way of thinking or doesn't conform to his very narrow viewpoint.
Quote: "Behind every tree is a conspiracy..... or I must be standing in a Forest"
Perhaps we could start a vote for a name change from "Bifocal" to "Monocle"
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TLBFestus
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Posted - Aug 26 2009 : 18:17:26
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Yes, I have noticed the "Better dead than Red" philosophy that Bifocal lives by.
Not my cup of tea, but then by Bifocals standards I'm already a socialist drone anyhow, and that somehow the way I live in my country is something "less". On the flip side I think that his way of thinking is, well, something better left alone.
I think I'm done with the re-incarnated "Too Hot to Handle" Forums. They don't bring me any enjoyment.
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Posted - Aug 26 2009 : 18:30:32
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Even my thread Festy !!!???
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Fossil-OMO
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Posted - Aug 26 2009 : 19:34:03
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Alright stop the bifocal bashing he didn't bash anyone else, he just stated his own beliefs. Respect every ones opinions even though they don't mesh with your own.
No need to run off Festus, I actually enjoy your point of view especially when it comes to health care since you're in that profession.
If I was in Canada's position I'd do the same, why not? What's good for one country may not be good for the other. National health care IMHO isn't right for the US. I'm all for a system that could help the less fortunate but not to the degree that it would FORCE everyone into the system.
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TLBFestus
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Posted - Aug 26 2009 : 22:45:14
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I'm not running off Fossil, just really not interested in this particular forum.
As I said, it doesn't bring me any enjoyment. I was sitting here reading this, getting a knot in my stomach, and realized, "Crap...what am I doing reading this stuff for?".
Generally it plays out into an argument, or just a mutual back-patting party as one point of view dominates, because the other opinion doesn't want to get involved.
FYI.....I'm a Dentist. That means that I am NOT part of the socialized medicine system in Canada. We operate independently from the medical system and rely on 3rd party (private insurance) or people pay us directly. I'm actually as "free enterprise" as you get.
I still however support our Health Care System, even though I'm one of the one up here that actually would support more of a two tier system that blend public and private health care. I would like to see user fees, something like, $10-20 per visit to your doc, for those of us that can afford it. Give half to the Doc and the system gets the other half to reinvest.
That's "evil" in some peoples eyes up here, because in a reverse sort of way to how you feel, those up here feel that having a private system will weaken our universal system, giving special service/preferences to "the rich". In reality we already have private clinics, but they are limited to providing "elective" procedures, such as face lifts, cosmetic procedures, diagnostic services and some knee and joint procedures, etc.
As my final comment it's interesting to note that to those of you down there, Universal health Care is the Boogy man, while to your polar opposites up here, private health care is also a Boogy Man. I actually believe the best system lies somewhere inbetween.
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Bifocal-OMO
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Posted - Aug 27 2009 : 20:42:31
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Festus, I happen to love my constitution and the freedoms that i have left. Also you said "Not my cup of tea, but then by Bifocals standards I'm already a socialist drone anyhow, and that somehow the way I live in my country is something "less". On the flip side I think that his way of thinking is, well, something better left alone." you will not find anywhere in any post I have made that i have suggested you were a socialist drone, and that your country is something Less. I said i did not know anyone that wanted it.
What you said there was not true at all. You have the right to say what you want and I support it. It looks like IMHO that you may just have a problem with anyone that does not see as you do.
Expired you said and I quote "Festus don't pay too much attention to Bifocal, he attacks anyone that doesn't believe in his way of thinking or doesn't conform to his very narrow viewpoint." but you attack me every chance you get. Guess that makes you a better person than me. I just made a statement
Everyone is fast to point a finger but not look at himself. I know i have my own faults but I am not scared to voice what i believe to be true.
Fossil, Let them bash or what they think is bashing, it bothers me not. I know myself and I am secure in who I am. It is just strange that they Hollar at me about bashing and they fall all over themselves jumping on me.
I don't look at the world as gloom and doom around every corner, even if it were there. I hate seeing people sucked in and throwing away their freedoms without knowing what is going on.
Glenn Beck has shown a lot of fact as to what is going on. You guys should watch him.
Also Festus, Terry Pickard, lives in Canada and worked for the government and got hurt on the job and it left him in a bad way. He has had to come to the States to get help as if he waited up there he would be dead or close to it. I guess he is lieing also, I don't know but i do play some games with him.
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Posted - Aug 28 2009 : 09:06:48
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Bifocal, I really don't dislike you I just enjoy poking you because I know I will get a response every time. I really should stop..........BUT DAMM, you just make it so EASY. Whoooooooo Haaaaaaa Haaaaaaaa.
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