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Fossil-OMO
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Posted - May 09 2008 : 21:09:56
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I haven't heard him make a statement like that and I research him quite a bit, I think Bif was in error. I try to look a several sources before I come to a conclusion.
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Bypass-OMO
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Posted - May 09 2008 : 22:31:05
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You all missed my point on Haliburton 20 years ago our military was self sufficent and didn't need a company to do their work. Bush the 1st Clinton and Bush the 2nd seems to have made sure we have a crippled force that needs civilians to bring them food and mail which to me is insulting. I notice no one will touch on Blackwater what does the U.S. Govenment need with a private army. This seems dangerous to me. Our system is broken and needs fixed before it is too late or we will have no freedoms left. On that I agree with Bif.
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Bifocal-OMO
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Posted - May 10 2008 : 04:15:32
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I have made a lot of statments which one Fossil?
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Bifocal-OMO
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Posted - May 10 2008 : 04:23:12
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These are quotes from Obama in his books
Obama's words... direct and damning quotes from his own books. Makes you think we could have a racist in the White House.
Below are a few lines from Obama's books ' his words:
From Dreams of My Father: I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.
From Dreams of My Father : I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mothers race.
From Dreams of My Father: There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.
From Drea ms of My Father: It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.
From Dreams of My Father: I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.
F rom Audacity of Hope: I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.
ALL DIRECT QUOTES FROM BARACK OBAMA!
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Bifocal-OMO
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Posted - May 10 2008 : 04:29:11
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Myself, I think this discussion is good and I am not upset so don't stop because you think that anyone will get upset. You have this right to express and sound here. This is what we are about. A group of mature people that can voice without fear.
Also, fossil I miss quoted him as you can see and I admit. Caught up in the moment of emotion lol.
F rom Audacity of Hope: I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction, which I feel would mean attack in some form.
He is also as racist as his now ex pastor who even said that Obama answered as a politician when asked about him not as what he really thought.
Wright thru him in the creek several times.
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Posted - May 10 2008 : 07:33:46
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ramble start .... no organization, just typing ...
This has been a great discussion to read. What has me worried is the Electile Dysfunction that is possible when powerful people want to get their way.
Remember Florida anyone?
The people who cast the votes do not have the power... it is the people who COUNT the votes that have the real power.
Without an overwhelming majority in each state, one way or the other, there will be those who will attempt to "nudge" the system towards their desired candidate. So all real issues aside, it may again come down to who controls the vote counting in the major swing states late in the election, if it is close.
I tend towards a middle ground of either liberal conservative or conservative liberal, depending on issue, so everyone hates me equally. :) I have no axe to grind with any of the candidates. When a dog pees on a fire hydrant, he is not committing vandalism, he is just being a dog. When a politician says damn near anything, he/she is not being a liar, he/she is just being a politician.
If someone held a gun to my head(probably a republican lol) I would most likely vote McCain, as he seems to have a bit more character and the Dems are slowly but surely once again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
In foreign affairs I tend to take a somewhat more Jeffersonian approach ... "We should strive not engage in foreign entanglements" or words to that effect. I respect and support our troops, and our country as an idea, but I do not support this president or the sitting members of congress in any way that comes to mind. I do not think the Dems would have done one bit better either if given the same situation re: terror and the war. It was loser from the word go.
That being said, what we need is a government that is not terrified of making the tough choices.
We are in a long war with no end in sight. We lost about two generation's worth of prestige in our handling of said war. IMO we should have taken Saudi and occupied it permanently. They have the oil, the majority of the 9/11 terrorists came from there, the royal family knew of their existence. If we are going to be bashed for imperialism and warmongering and such, why not actually have a long-term strategic goal?
U.S. politicians think in 4 year time lines. That is just ridiculous. Even dictators think in terms of one lifetime... theirs. Without a long term strategy, which is impossible under our system, China wins in the end. Doesn't matter who does what to the Middle East or at home. We have one last chance to reclaim US strategic supremacy, which guarantees the US survives in the long run ... space. I mean colonies and industry, not a couple folks to the moon and Mars.
This requires... education and long term commitment.
So until schools(and NASA) get all the money they need and the air force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber, I will will remain ambivalent to any presidential candidate or president. I read, study and vote my conscience. But actually truly support? Not going to happen until I see a few thousand U.S. citizens permanently living in space. You can bet that there will be a Chinese presence within this generation.
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Fossil-OMO
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Posted - May 10 2008 : 07:46:55
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Well Bypass, if something smells fishy, always follow the money trail. Here is my conclusion as to why the Govt is using more and more contractors. The Armed Forces aren't owned by anyone and they have a huge ass budget to spend. Some greedy individuals see all this money and came up with the Idea of replacing a service that was normally done by the military with Contractors. Contract Companies are owned by individuals AKA Halliburton and the like. Some one told the Govt types they could save money by contracting out services to civilians. How many people join the army to become a cook or a mail man?
Most young people today don't go into the recruiting office looking for those type of rudimentary type jobs. they join the Army to pew pew the bad guys. Could the Army do a better job than the contractors? Hell ya! but since we have an all volunteer Army it's kind of hard to force people into a job field they don't want.
I'm still researching Black water, I'll get back to you on that.
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Fossil-OMO
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Posted - May 10 2008 : 08:52:50
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As far a Blackwater being in New Orleans, http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/09/30/nopd.looting/ cops with guns mind you, were taking food and looting, a good reason to bring in guys with bigger guns if you ask me. The US spent tons of money training theses guys and once they got out of the military where are they are going to go? Most of them are Ex special forces, much better trained than your local mall cop. I also found the perfect job for Kay Jay while he's in North Carolina
http://www.blackwaterusa.com/jobs/descriptions/Role%20Player.htm
WARNING: Role players are frequently shot at with paintball guns and simunition rounds.
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I just have to say that I have really enjoyed this thread. Discussing events with Brother OMO's and having them state their feelings without getting "FLAMED" is a real blessing and demonstrates what true Freedom and Democracy really is.
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Posted - May 10 2008 : 10:31:23
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Originally posted by Expired-OMO
I just have to say that I have really enjoyed this thread. Discussing events with Brother OMO's and having them state their feelings without getting "FLAMED" is a real blessing and demonstrates what true Freedom and Democracy really is.
Agreed,
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Posted - May 10 2008 : 13:59:04
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Hey watch it poop stain! Keep your comments to yourself!
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Fossil-OMO
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Posted - May 10 2008 : 17:55:47
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I'd never flame anyone with a different point of view from mine, what would be the point? I'm just curious of other people point of views. Who knows you might even change my mind and find me pulling the lever for Obama but then I'd be faced with the problem of all the flying monkeys that flew out of my ass when I did.
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Bifocal-OMO
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Posted - May 10 2008 : 19:40:39
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Fossil did you read the quotes from Obama. I posted them above. You had asked where i had researched. There it is..
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Posted - May 10 2008 : 20:21:06
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Now I know what they mean when they state "I was quoted OUT OF CONTEXT"
In reguards to the statement: quote:
From Audacity of Hope: I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction
The actual quote from the book is from page 261 and is as follows: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
I dare him say something like that.
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Posted - May 10 2008 : 21:24:05
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If I took the job, I'd probably have a habit of yelling "That was BULL***T!!!!"
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Fossil-OMO
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Posted - May 10 2008 : 21:36:16
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Yeah I was doubtful as to the validity of that statement myself or else it would have been all over the place I'm sure.
I have a feeling I know what the October surprise is going to be that Hillary mentioned that the Republicans would used against Obama. His dad was very pro communist, he omitted quite a bit about his fathers political leanings in his first book. I'll try to dig his dad's writings from 1965 when he was a political figure in Kenya. *Edit here is is http://gregransom.com/prestopundit/2008/04/gregs-guide-to-barack-obamas-d.html
Do a lot of research on him and you'll find some interesting stuff that furthers my resolve against him not being the commander in chief.
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Bypass-OMO
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Posted - May 11 2008 : 00:26:08
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Never judge a man on his father's actions we all live and learn and grow.
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Posted - May 11 2008 : 03:27:41
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No president could bring this country down because they don't have the power to. And ANYTHING that negatively impacts profit in this country would be crushed!
As in Ron Paul's bid for president?
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Posted - May 11 2008 : 04:19:55
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Just to get it clear..Halliburton has been the force behind the war machine for over 50 years.
WW2,Korea,Vietnam and both gulf wars. They are the Wal-Mart of warfare infrasructure in the world. They build or manage almost every aspect of our involvment overseas and domestic. They even serve meals to the troops. And most of the members of congress have invested in it personally because they have the inside knowledge to know whats comming in advance. Pure and simple outright monopoly while pulling the wool on those that just watch the news and expect to have a clue. This was Vice Dicks ol company you know.
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/about_hal/overview.html
A name change or 2 has kept the connection "out of mind" but its the same company. And big enough to control it's investments. I think its profit meter is moveing upward just about as fast as the Iraq war meter is at any given time. Its just keeping a glutonous corporation pumping money to its investors. When we get tired of it, all the new laws passed to keep us from interfering will be used against us costing our right to speech and other basic supposed human rights to be totally ignored or lost. Possibly under the martial law decree Bush has secretly in place now. Then reality will be upon us and even typing in this forum could get us a trip to a Halliburton Retirement Center....the ones already built all over the country and currently empty.
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/news/truman_com.html
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