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Posted - May 14 2008 : 09:32:19
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the first one is not much worry, That second is very disturbing Total Disrespect!!!
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Nosehair-OMO
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Posted - May 14 2008 : 10:26:42
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Agreed Skidi, that second video turns my stomach. I'm thinking about my HomeBoy Bob Barr at the moment. I think the Libertarians have painted themselves into a bit of a corner as far as the smaller smaller federal gov't, but I'm going to look at what Bob says these next few weeks. I voted Libertarian last time. It is NOT throwing away your vote IF you vote for the candidate that you feel best represents your interest. Deal with it!!!
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 Posted - May 14 2008 : 12:03:12
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Not really sure whats going on there, if you look close as the camera pans across everyone is facing in different directions. The most disturbing thing to me was the singer that slaughtered the song.
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Fossil-OMO
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Posted - May 14 2008 : 15:42:59
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His main problem is he's backed by the extreme left, the www.moveon.org guys. He has to pander to them in order to keep the money flowing in. I don't hate Obama I just see him as a pawn to a greater threat.
I do like the libertarians but I think their foreign policy leaves us vulnerable to future terrorist attacks.
The only thing McCain has going for him is he said he wouldn't raise taxes. right now he's trying to out flank Obama on the left by buying into all the Global Warming nonsense.
Still waiting for my five reasons to vote for Obama...
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Posted - May 14 2008 : 19:45:57
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#1. He is not Hillary
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Posted - May 15 2008 : 09:05:39
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quote:
Originally posted by SkidiMark-OMO
#1. He is not Hillary
#2. He's not an ancient white man
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Posted - May 15 2008 : 14:41:59
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#3 He's never been in the Bush Administration.
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Fossil-OMO
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Posted - May 15 2008 : 17:55:07
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To my knowledge McCain hasn't worked for the Bush administration either, being a senator that's in the same party doesn't make him a member of his administration. He's been a thorn in Bushes side since Bush beat him in SC in 2000 and how people equate him with Bush just shows me they know nothing of the rivalry that exist between them.
McCain has sided more with democrats more than he has with Bush but since he has an "R" in front of his name that makes ok in peoples minds to vote for the communist instead.
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/
Lets see Obama's mentor was a communist, his dad was a communist but lets just ignore all that vote for him anyway…
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Posted - May 15 2008 : 20:40:33
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Again I'm not a Obama supporter but some people need to at least be fair and honest. So his father was a commie. His father dumped him when he was a kid and he was raised from the time he was ten by his white grandmother. Now the newest distortion of what he said is about how he said his grandmother was a Racist when he only said that even she had made some wrong remarks. Some people need to be reminded that we are not responsible for our parents misgivings. I am 69 years old and was raised in the south. My parents were predigious because they were raised that way. When I was a child blacks were not allowed to live inside the city limits or use the parks or water fountains. I raised my child to respect all races and judge people by what they did not what they looked like. I am getting sick and tired of all the lies and twisted facts by both political parties and the media. Why do people think its OK TO LIE AND PULL EVERY DIRTY TRICK IN THE BOOK and think it's OK as long as it's POLITICS.
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Posted - May 15 2008 : 22:24:03
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Ok then, aside from the fact that he's not a Republican what is the reason people are going to vote for him? Change and Hope? You better Hope that you have some Change so you can take the bus when Gas doubles in price under his administration. With a Democrat held congress he'll screw the oil companies to the wall with his purposed "windfall profits" tax. Do you think that's going to lower the price? no they'll just stop drilling even more and then we're really screwed.
You're right, he's dad had no influence at all on him, Obama only wrote a book about him "Dreams of my Father" why he idolizes the man who abandoned his family to go back to his first wife (they never divorced) and not his grandmother who raised him is beyond me.
The point I was making before was that when it comes to national security it darn sure matters who you associate with. If he wasn't a politician there's no way he could get a top secret security clearance given his past and present associations.
I'm raising my kids the same way, I tell them it doesn't matter what the outside looks like it's the inside that matters and thats what has me troubled with Obama, his inside!
Still looking for 5 reasons to vote for him (It must be hard because he hasn't really said what plans on doing other than flowery platitudes.)
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Posted - May 15 2008 : 22:29:11
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Thankyou Expired for that I was starting to get a lot peeved on how this thread started as a decent conversation on politics and then turned into a name calling, taking text out of context by not writing the whole thought of a man who is just trying to run for president. If you vote for him or not he is still an American.
Fossil you don't need us to give you reasons to vote for or not vote for Obama do some checking on the facts about all the canidates then make up your own mind. Bif, Hummas just got done talking with President Carter and is trying to start peace talks maybe this is why they back Obama he wants to have diplomacy with other countries just as other Presidents have including Kennedy,Nixon,Ford,Carter,and even Regan they all had peace talks and made the world a better place its just recently that the idea of not talking to countries has taken us to bad places. Just for informational puposes McCain has agreed if he becomes president to follow the current administrations policies to get the current republicans to back him including Bush.
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Posted - May 15 2008 : 22:50:15
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Sorry, the topic is too hot to handle politics and religion, I thought only the people who could handle it would be reading it. I don't mean to offend anyone but as long as we're discussing I'll
be putting in my 2 cents worth. If you disagree with my point of view I'd love to hear it and it won't "peeve" me in the least. Besides, I won't have time to look at these boards in the future I'll be too busy chopping heads in Conan woot!. 1 more day...
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Posted - May 16 2008 : 06:38:55
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I'm sorry but things like lapel pins and posture during the national anthem do not sway my vote. Barrack Obama, who absolutely has my vote, has a history of choosing to apply his considerable talent serving the community. I have no question or qualm about his commitment to this country or his desire to make it better. I couldn't care less about whether or not somebody adheres to some convention. Their vision for this country is far more important. Obama's vision is one of inclusion and bridging the divides that have grown over the past 30 years.
Call Obama a socialist??? Muslim sympathizer??? whatever, but you'll be wrong. As I've said before, it concerns me about all the misinformation (which many people actually believe) about him. Call him a liberal, good, the political wind in this country has swung far too far to the right in my opinion. It's time for a correction.
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Posted - May 16 2008 : 07:04:07
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Expired, i grew up in California, and as a boy racially integrated a
neighborhood (we were the token white family). i applaud your teaching
your kids to look past appearances.
since it's clear this thread will run til november 5th, and then someone will
start a new one bashing whomever gets elected, i will say this election has
energized Americans like no other i personally have seen. i don't care who you
like to win it, we need people to be involved for the process to work. God help
us when we don't value our right to vote anymore . . .
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Posted - May 16 2008 : 09:26:44
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To far to the right, We have people in congress traveling to visit with those that want to take us down. If you think we can talk to the people that hate this country, you are wrong. Even Hammas wants to see Obama in as president. They endorsed him. They probably have phone banks set up to support him.
You have the right to your feelings and I appreciate them but if you are wrong, I will be first to tell you, I told you so. If you are right I guess I will have to eat some crow.
We will see what the nation wants and when it is over I hope we have a country. You mention Jimmy Carter in the same sentance with Regan. Not even close. Carter was worthless and He had no business going over there. Some politicians are trying to have his passport pulled because he broke the law. We are at war with them.
Hitler offered peace as everyone gave him poland then came after it all. You think you can trust them. That would be like me killing someone's son and then ask to take their daughter out on a date. Same thing to me. When it comes to our soil, then maybe some will see what is going on. To many have turned a deaf ear to what is going on.
I hate war, but it is going to be. If we let them threaten us and we submit to their threats we are doomed. Myself, I will not bend to their threats or cower befor them. I will stand for the country, Reguardless of its cost to me. I guess that is where things lie. I am not afraid to make the sacrifice to keep my kids and grandkids free. I took that stand befor and will again if need be.
This topic is for those that can handle it from both sides. I hope that my view does not hurt anyone but it is my viet and I have the right to voice it and will.
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Posted - May 16 2008 : 11:23:19
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I guess I don't get the problem with talking to our enemies. Note: I said "TALK", seems a person by the name of Sun Tzu taught his men to "know your enemy" before going into battle. Kind of makes sense to me .
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Posted - May 16 2008 : 17:21:38
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Good to see you back in the thread Aged, I appreciate opposing views you offer and hope we can discuss politics on a civil level.
I don't care if Obama wears a lapel pin or doesn't know how to show respect to the flag by covering his heart during the poorly sung national anthem. He's very inexperienced and too much to the left for my taste. I have to agree there is a lot of fear mongering going on right and they'll be a lot more but I doubt that the left will hold any punches when it comes to McCain who's been trying to appease them for far too long. The New York times has already tried to accuse him of having an affair by using very poor evidence.
I doubt that I could change anyone's vote, thats never been my intention, all I ask is don't automatically believe everything media says about Obama and do a little research for yourself first. If it doesn't bother you like it bothers me then by all means cast your vote for him.
I have no problems with the USA talking with foreign governments and as far as I know we do, it's done through the state dept. The people we shouldn't talk to are heads of terrorist organizations who want to see Israel wipe off the map. I think Bush summed it up perfectly this week when he said.
“Some seem to believe that we should negotiate with the terrorists and radicals, as if some ingenious argument will persuade them they have been wrong all along,” Mr. Bush said, in a speech otherwise devoted to spotlighting Israel’s friendship with the United States.
“We have an obligation,” he continued, “to call this what it is: the false comfort of appeasement, which has been repeatedly discredited by history.”
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Posted - May 16 2008 : 19:58:27
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Gee wiz I have never been kicked out of a thread before, but the McCarthyism was just eating at me, I just think labling Americans Communist,Socialist,or Facist seems to me to be going a little too far IMO and asking for a response. But since some have said this thread is for those whom can handle it which I can when its a conversation not a labling fest. Just one more note appeasement is giving some one something to keep them from doing something. Talking to them is something entirely different.
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Posted - May 16 2008 : 20:25:28
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The office of president and the head of state does give credibility when visiting a country to talk. If they are not going to do something to help in the problem then why visit. You can talk on the phone. Why honor them with a visit.
Also, lableing, if I see a chicken and it clucks and sounds like a chicken and lays eggs like a chicken, I an not going to call it a duck or a dog. I call it what I see. That is my right. His views are way to far left and he wants big government. That is the start of socialism. He is also a lier. That is proven. Then again alot of politicians lie. I see no good in him and now he wants to wear a flag pin when he said he would not.
If you think taxes are bad now, wait until he gets in. Where are people when he talks. Can they not hear what he is saying.
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