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 Posted - May 16 2008 : 22:08:38
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I listen to what Obama says quite a bit.
I'm hearing him say many things I agree with. I'm hearing him trying to bridge the divide that has resulted from almost 30 years of mudslinging. I hear someone that reminds me (and inspires me) like Bobby Kennedy once did.
I think it's very clear that many of the stubborn and arrogantly self-righteous policies of the current administration simply are not working. I, also, believe that the current administration has lied to us time and again to further these policies.
To me, it seems many of those calling themselves conservatives these days are less about smaller government and freedom than they are about conformity to the narrow minded dogma of a self righteous few. You can't convince me that running up the deficient to the delight of large corporations who reap the benefits and at the expense of the people is smaller government. You, also, can't convince me that the sort of abridgment of lifestyles that don't conform to some opinions of a self righteous few is anything approaching freedom. Frankly, when liberals do that it's wrong then as well and not what true liberal political thought is about. But, for heaven's sake, pay attention. The conservatives are just as bad at taking away our freedoms. They just pick different methods and they wrap it in something that they claim is patriotism.
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Posted - May 16 2008 : 23:06:22
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Bypass old buddy, no one is kicking you out of the thread all I said was
I thought only the people who could handle it would be reading it. I don't mean to offend anyone.
This is too hot to handle forum so I thought I was able to post what ever I liked. If you disagree then that's ok. we're having a discussion over politics one of my strict taboos that I never talk with friends because it stirs the emotions. My parents are die hard yellow dog Democrats and I can't say anything political in their house at all or it turns into a frackus.
I have to agree with you aged, the dope we have in the white house is no conservative. He's grown Govt more than I've liked and signed off on more pork than a pig farm.
My best case scenerio is actually for Obama to win and screw up the country so bad that when 2010 rolls around we'll elect a republican controlled congress that will put the breaks on him and get a republican back in the oval office in 2012.
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Posted - May 16 2008 : 23:22:37
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Link to the best overall adressing of current events cause and effect. Worth the 65 min investment. Nobody has this mans experience or resolve.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCM_wQy4YVg
Vote for the best person for a better America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhAokoMgSDc&NR=1
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Posted - May 17 2008 : 04:53:52
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LOL Medi, you are a die hard and I admire that and give you credit for sticking in there. Who knows you might be the reason he gets in. I do not see any that I think are really that good. I just don't see Obama. Hillery is just as bad as her husband. It will take a revolution to get back to the constitution and that will cost us to much ..
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Posted - May 18 2008 : 02:01:12
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Fossil you will have to try alot harder to offend me lol, I just get pationate over this and Aged is much better at expressing it than I am thanks Aged your the man. I am just one of the masses that lost his career over outsourcing to other countries and like Aged says this is the largest gov we have ever had in our history. By the by how could he screw it up worse than it already is?
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Posted - May 18 2008 : 05:03:19
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Aged, you say you like what you are hearing from Obama. I could say things that you would like to hear also. But I am not looking for your vote, he is. He, IMHO, is just a twofaced lier. But then again they all say what you want to hear. And you are right about the conservative going big government. McCain is that also but not as big as Obama. IMO.
As for talking to the Enemy. The presidents that have, while they were president, spent months befor demanding something and getting it befor going to meet with them. Obama says he will just go visit with them and sit down for tea without a agenda. He likes the radical muslims.
You say you like what he says but I have not heard anything real from him.
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Posted - May 18 2008 : 12:49:59
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Bif, Obama will never really say what he's going to do before the election because he'd never get elected. It's a win win situation for the Democrats, If Obama wins they'll have carte blanc for two years until the Republicans can take over congress like what happened when Clinton got elected and tried to socialize medicine. If McCain wins, they'll have an appeaser that will bend over forwards to the Dems in congress and screw up the country but the Republicans will take the blame for it.
The Die is cast and there just isn't anything that can be done about it.
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Posted - May 18 2008 : 13:35:30
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quote:
Originally posted by Fossil-OMO
The Die is cast and there just isn't anything that can be done about it.
no, no, NO! the "die" is not cast, and niether is your
vote in the general election!
how do you know the Hillary supporters won't back McCain
for revenge?
Fossil, whatever you think whatever you say, until
you exercise your hard earned right to vote PLEASE
don't bash the system. it is our system bought and paid for.
my right to vote will not be abrogated by naysayers,
ON THE RIGHT OR ON THE LEFT
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Posted - May 18 2008 : 17:36:35
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About OBAMA:
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He likes the radical muslims.
You make some really good points and I understand you don't like the man and accuse him of being a lair but then you go and make a statement like that. Obama is a lot of things and like every one of us makes mistakes but HE IS NOT A MUSLIM.
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Posted - May 18 2008 : 18:08:55
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As far as you know he isn't. As far as I know he is. He has said that if the political goes the wrong way he would side with the muslins. From what I understand. I will have to research that but I think I am right on it and will find it.
It is not a matter of like or not. I do not like what he is saying. If you listen to him he is speaking out of both sides of his mouth. He said he would not wair the flag pin but now he does. Must have been listening to Rush Limbaugh.
Hillery might still beat him but if not, your right, some of her supporters might support McCain. I just hope that McCain has a good runing mate and younger and more conservative.
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Posted - May 19 2008 : 05:37:19
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Just something to read. Checking now for how accurate this is.
Part 1:
In just one year. Remember the election in 2006?
Thought you might like to read the following:
A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2..19 a gallon;
3) The unemployment rate was 4.5%.
Since voting in a Democratic Congress in 2006 we have seen:
1) Consumer confidence plummet;
2) The cost of regular gasoline soar to over $3.50 a gallon;
3) Unemployment is up to 5% (a 10% increase);
4) American households have seen $2.3 trillion in equity value evaporate
(stock and mutual fund losses);
5) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $1.2 trillion dollars;
6) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
America voted for change in 2006, and we got it!
Remember it's Congress that makes law not the President. He has to work
with what's handed to him.
Quote of the Day........'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in
the history of the world. I hope you'll join with me as we try to
change it.' -- Barack Obama
Part 2:
Taxes...Whether Democrat or a Republican you will find these statistics
enlightening and amazing.
www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html
Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K - tax $16, 800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250
Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates.
It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think
Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever.
If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush
tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories
above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with
Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even
know what happened.
PART 3:
You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much? Read this:
Boy, am I confused.. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is
the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.
I hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until
they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them.
I have included the URL's for verification of all the following facts.
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens
each year by state governments.
Verify at: http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs
such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal
aliens.
Verify at: http://www.cis..org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary
school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a
word of English!
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.html
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the
American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at: http://transcripts. cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare &
social services by the American taxpayers.
Verify at: http/premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/061 0/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused
by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's
two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular,
their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the
US.
Verify at: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens
that crossed our Southern Border. Also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens
from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth,
heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S. from the Southern border.
Verify at: Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.co9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, 'estimated that the total cost of
mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average
cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.'
Verify at: http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/deportation..pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to
their countries of origin.
Verify at: http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. 'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex
Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States.'
Verify at: http://www.drdcom/articleshtml
The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR.
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Posted - May 19 2008 : 07:48:01
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Bif , your earlier post:
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From Audacity of Hope: I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction. DIRECT QUOTES FROM BARACK OBAMA!
And this is what he actually said: quote:
The actual quote from the book is from page 261 and is as follows: "Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
Now that is a huge difference when put in context.
I think the public should start spending more time looking at the reasons why we are voting for a political candidate instead of just looking for reasons to vote against the opposite side.
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Posted - May 19 2008 : 08:53:14
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Well said Expired!
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Posted - May 19 2008 : 09:43:09
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In the wake of 9/11, we have the right to question anyone that might be a threat. I did not see where we locked them up like in WWII. If he sides with anyone or puts anything above the security of the Nation, then I don't want him. I have listened to him everytime I can.
He is not truthful. He is not sticking to what he says. But then again none of them are. I just won't vote for him.
Even the Democrats say that he is the farthest liberal in the party. The voters for Hillery will vote for McCain or a majority. If not then we will see who wins. Don't get me wrong, I support whoever is in the office unless they are giveing away our country. There are provisions in the consittution for when the government is to big.
If he turns out the way I and millions of others think he will I guess i will have to say I told you so if we can even use the internet.
Also, please use another color than red I have a hard time with red in the forums... :o)
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Posted - May 19 2008 : 10:38:12
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Bif, it's sounds like you have about the same opinion of Obama as I do of the current adminstration. So, I understand.
I'm not a "America, love it or leave it" type. If the government violates my own sense of right and wrong, I'm offended. Many of the policies of this adminstration have done just that and tarnished my sense of what America stands for. I've also seen this adminstration all to willing to play the "National security" card. To me, (and admittedly given my enormous level of distrust of this adminstration) that's just a smoke screen. It's important to me that we're not just secure, we need to be right as well.
For myself, America is about justice, freedom and fairness. In that, I take great pride. However, when our government spoils that image, that pride is damaged as well. Ultimately, I need to stand with what I feel is right, because ultimately I feel that's what America should be about as well.
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Posted - May 19 2008 : 11:09:06
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I appreciate you and what you are saying. I feel the same but, I feel that we must insure that we are safe and if that means going to fight the enemy or help someone to insure our safety, then sobeit. I hope you understand that I have not gotten upset. You have the right to voice and I expect it. If I can't handle it, I will stop posting. lol
I just feel that putting someone that will not make it better is wrong. I received this just a min ago.
I have not checked it out yet but will. This was written by Bill Cosby about Obama and Rev Wright.
Article from today's Wall Street Journal:
Rev. Wright epitomizes the thoughts and actions that have prevented and continue to prevent black America from moving ahead and achieving their potential as a people. He suggests that this United States of America made up of sons and daughters of immigrants (I'm talking of the millions of 1st, 2nd, 3rd generation immigrants in this country) of every race, creed, color and religion each and everyone of them who had nothing to do with slavery, some how owe something to a group of people who have never been slaves? Its amazing. It seems everyone is to blame for the shambles black society is in with its violence, drugs, high school drop out rates, misogyny, and a host of other real and virulent problems, except for the very people who engage in such behavior. Enough. As a society, culture or people, they should look within themselves and fix their problems. When did this man become the spokesman for the 'black church'? And of course his church is different, but that doesn't mean his message and philosophy is acceptable, or productive or non-offensive or not-racist or indicative or our greater cultural behaviors, values and norms Americans. And yes, the link between this man and Obama really does matter. At a very minimum, it provides insight into the political and philosophical strain that Obama adheres to.
Comment by Bill Cosby
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Posted - May 19 2008 : 17:13:03
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Aged, Obama definitely offends my sense of right and wrong when he supports partial birth abortion.
I'm not a bible thumper by any stretch of the imagination but to me killing errr terminating the life of the unborn is immorally wrong.
Obama fully supports Planned Parenthood an organization that preforms cheap abortions and is partly supported by us taxpayers.
Recently some anti abortion college students www.LAadvocate.com called around to planned parenthood posing as white racist to see if they could donate money specifically to target black babies. The results are very disturbing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwif0VMW3c4
Expired I have a whole host of reasons to vote against Obama, I still haven't heard of at least 5 reasons to vote for him. Just give me 5 good reasons and I'll think about it...for about 2 sec.
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Posted - May 19 2008 : 17:34:57
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I'm not trying to give you reasons to vote for Obama, nor do I intend to. I respect your reasons for voting against him.
What I object to is the arrogance and self-righteousness I've seen building on the right for the past nearly 30 years. Things have disintegrated into simple labeling and name calling for the most part - and people are buying it. I think it has contributed to the polarization and hysteria (or maybe just hyperbole) we often see when people express their political opinions. I'd like to see that stop.
Honestly, I'd like to see a true liberal back in the White House, but I could've voted for John McCain if he'd have stayed himself instead of all the pandering to the extreme right wing I'm seeing now. I don't support his policies in many cases, but I believed he did, indeed, have the country's best interests at heart.
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Posted - May 19 2008 : 21:48:32
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We will se befor to long what is in store for you, me, the country, My kids and grandkids and theirs. We are in a time where the people care nothing for life, liberty,freedom and honor. It is a shame that Ted Kennedy had that bout with what ever it was. My feelings were numb to what he was going thru because of how he has shoved his liberal wants down our throats. He has 3 times gone to give the country away to the latino's. That is just one thing and he is only one person that is doing it.
The intent is to have canada, the US and mexico as one and it will not work. To many have shed blood for this country and will again if need be. People just don't see what is happening.
The mexican government has even stated that where there is a mexican it is mexico. Trouble is the mexicans believe it. We are loseing our country and the liberals can't give it away fast enough. 85% of the country wants the boarder closed and the illeagle imagrants under control.
We are loseing billions of dollars on everything for them. Schools, college, hospital, welfair, and alot of other benifits. And people say that we are spending out our butts in Iraq.
LOL, we have taken GOD out of everything, Thrown our freedoms away, given our country to anyone that will pay for it and one day we will look back and say what happened. It hurts to see it all happening and can't do anythiing about it. People listen but do not hear. They look but do not see.
GOD help us if we do not stop this and get our country back.
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Posted - May 19 2008 : 21:48:33
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i have seen McCain change too - the man i saw in 2000 is not
the candidate today. i believe that McCain believes he can't win the general
without the base that supported Bush in 2000.
too bad, because that McCain had my vote in that primary . . .
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