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Bypass-OMO
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 Posted - Jan 26 2010 : 19:54:56
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Ok my OMO govenment watch dogs I need to hear your opinions on last weeks ruling that corporations should have the rights of people. I have been waiting since last week for some OMO outrage and nary a peep from any of you.
Some of you have said the liberal take over has started but I say the corporate take over has started and our country and govenment has been handed to them on a silver platter by 5 justices all put on the court by Republican presidents so much for conservative justices. Just think about it a company from another country lets say oh China incorporates in America they are now a citizen and have contitutional rights and can now affect our elections and politicians.
Just for giggles here are a couple of articles for you to mull over before you give an opinion.
It is no longer a matter of right or left it is a matter or right or wrong, ok I am done I think.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/22/opinion/22tue1.html?_r=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YB68VR0LfI
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Edited by - Bypass-OMO on Jan 26 2010 20:01:34
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BackPainOMO
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Posted - Jan 26 2010 : 21:00:47
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Without reading the linked articles, the ruling does nothing more than restore rights to corporations that were in place prior to the McCain-Feingold bill that did not place similar limits on unions.
Before McCain-Feingold, I do not recall fearing for my country as much as I do today with the left-wing dominance of news media and the unlimited spending by unions (who use money of members who do not agree with them and have NO recourse to stop their union dues from being misused).
So, I believe the whole "sky is falling" doom and gloom coming from the left on this ruling is BS. It is just not in their favor, so it is evil and must be resisted. I watched a woman tonight railing about the Tebow commercial that is going to be in the Superbowl about how his mother chose to have him versus an abortion due to a difficult medical condition she had at the time and her reasons were nothing more than she wanted to prevent a pro-life group from having free speech. Pathetic what the left does stop free speech of those that do not agree with them.
There ya go. You got an opinion from the right. Go figure it would be what it is. :-)
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Bypass-OMO
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Posted - Jan 26 2010 : 22:13:58
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you really need to read the articles before you acually respond cause it goes way back to 1907 so pls read the one and listen to the other I really want some good input from you guys. Cause this ruling includes unions and corporations so pls check out the links.
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Petrified-OMO
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Posted - Jan 26 2010 : 23:09:29
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I already preemptively responded to this already here.
Lets read the 1st Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Personage is not a qualifying factor to have Free Speech.
Additionally, sure, Unions will be able to run ads, but so will the corporations Unions leech off of.
But honestly: you want to restrict speech because a group might say something you don't like? It is always better to know what someone really thinks, says, and acts, than to be in the dark. And... common: You think China doesn't already influence us?
No matter what, however, disclosure rules have to be in place to know where the money is coming from.
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Nosehair-OMO
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Posted - Jan 27 2010 : 11:29:35
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I am fed up with this thread and sick of the bs that has been said here in the past. I do have an opinion regarding the effectiveness of my vote vs a $10,000,000 ad campaigns, but hey I'm just blowing smoke and drinking koolaide I know. I can't imagine where the Supreme Court dragged up the balls to challenge the precedence set in 1907 with this propaganda piece that was being put up as a "film" about Hillary. It's been labeled as dangerous by the folks on the right too btw (but you can do your own search if you give a ^%$#).
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Petrified-OMO
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Posted - Jan 27 2010 : 12:51:01
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It would not be the first time precidence has been overturned. Segregation anyone? While I means large corps can spend big bucks, it does not mean you will be any more or less informed than you already are.
Just remember: an advert is wasted money if the voters don't pay attention to it. Always look at the facts, not the perception presented of those facts.
Besides, it was unconstitutional for Congress to limit speech - even if it is a corporation. The 1st Amendment does not limit freedom of speech to individuals or corporations.
And, in the end, a corporation is jack without people who do speak. McCain-Feingold did nothing to stop Soros from spending money to influeence campaigns.
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Posted - Jan 27 2010 : 12:53:18
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But, I guess you do support Al Gore's film and your buddy Al from Minnysoda's 3 films? Come on Nosey. This affords all of us the opportunity to put out our own propaganda. Not just the far left. lol
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Posted - Jan 27 2010 : 16:00:41
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Stream of consciousness...rdy...go!
I never saw Al Gore's film. I know propaganda when I don't see it. On the other Al guy, he cracks me up. I can't take him seriously, but they must have up there. Left and right is simply the power struggle of small minds and big egos. The "fight" seems to mobilize a base and get voters to the polls. Other than that the parties are NOT about the people. As something said in someones quote here "they are self serving blah blah blah". I want'm all out. Let's start all over. Compromise is a lost art. It's called weak and caving in now. The founding fathers are brought up all the time lately. They knew principle and compromise. They can coexist.
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BluehairOMO
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Posted - Jan 27 2010 : 16:42:58
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All This decision means to me is that I will have more crap to ignore. Like Nosie said, I know propaganda when I don't see it(great line). I stopped paying attention to any political election media, left or right, a few election cycles ago. I do this thing called old fashioned research. If something gets my interest I look into it myself. I make it a point to avoid any source that has a vested interest in the subject at hand. I also use my BS detector to reverse-engineer a lot of positions taken by both sides. If the opposing side cannot logically dispute a point, then I have my answer. If a source takes information out of context and spins it, it is no longer a source.
I did see a hilarious political cartoon the other day that sums it all nicely... A little boy is next to a man getting out of a car. The man has corporate logos all over his clothes. The little boy asks "Are you a NASCAR driver?"
The man says "No I am a Senator."
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Our political system was in the crapper before this decision. I believe this will just make more money for media outlets and actors/producers/directors/etc.
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Most voters are not the mindless drones that folks on both sides think. It will take more than fancy spin packaging to disguise a bad position.
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Posted - Jan 27 2010 : 17:26:43
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Just so long as it continues to support free broadcast television and low cable rates, I am for it all the way.
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Fossil-OMO
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Posted - Jan 27 2010 : 18:22:30
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The only thing that this decision does is give voice to those who want to influence the ignorant.
I leave for 4 days and the boards go wild!
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Petrified-OMO
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Posted - Jan 27 2010 : 18:22:47
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Watching the President's speech... pretty funny guy.
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Nosehair-OMO
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Posted - Jan 28 2010 : 04:57:28
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I watched it last year. No reason to listen again imho. Still trying to figure out what has "changed". I'll give the independents a good look down here in Georgia come Nov.
I've been accused of throwing away my vote by voting this way, but my conscious is clear. May the worst men not win.
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 Posted - Jan 28 2010 : 09:17:00
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Well I watched it and as a "Speech" it was done extremely well. Now do I believe it ?... well perhaps half of it. Will anything truly change ?...I hope so but kind of doubt it. Lately when it comes to some politics I have taken the position of "Hoping for the Best and Expecting the Worst"
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Posted - Jan 28 2010 : 12:45:28
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You know what they say about a politician and moving lips...
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Petrified-OMO
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Posted - Jan 28 2010 : 13:11:36
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WOW... talk about derailing the thread! Yay me. 
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Posted - Jan 28 2010 : 13:22:01
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Is this like a "Brett Farve moment" here?
I mean talk about a short retirement.
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Posted - Jan 28 2010 : 14:34:21
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Heh... my phone auto logged me in as Petrified.
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Posted - Jan 28 2010 : 17:04:13
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rrrrrrrrrrright
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Bypass-OMO
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Posted - Jan 28 2010 : 19:12:55
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Thank you all for your input I love it that everyone was so nice lol. I just have a thing about making corps more powerfull and the people less powerfull we shall see how this all works out but I am with Nosey fire the lot and get someone in office that is acually for the people and not to get rich and powerfull at the price of our freedoms.
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Posted - Jan 29 2010 : 18:59:49
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Had to post again. LOL... Was listening to talk radio and heard a great caller description of what he thought the result of the decision would be ....
It will make the US Congress into the largest house of prostitution in the country.
I laughed my butt off at this guy's naivete... I mean, that has been the case for some time now.
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Hey... maybe I will get a job painting sets for the all those new poiltical 'documentaries' that will be coming out. If it creates jobs I am for it.
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